Author Topic: James COLEY, born 1828, Newick  (Read 1638 times)

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Re: James COLEY, born 1828, Newick
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 08 November 20 20:32 GMT (UK) »
The 13/12/1836 may prove to have been the "previous conviction" but it has not been taken into account by the later trial in 1839.   This led me to believe that possibly it was not relevant and there may have been a subsequent, more substantive conviction.

Nevertheless, he was still transported, if not as a convict but euphemistically as an "Apprentice", to circumvent NZ's anti-convict transportee regulations ::)

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Re: James COLEY, born 1828, Newick
« Reply #10 on: Monday 09 November 20 14:44 GMT (UK) »
BAC3 -- I am sorry if I misunderstood you - I thought you wanted details of James Coley's previous crime.

Is it that you are looking for something which may have occurred between Crime 1 and Crime 2?

I can't see anything at the moment.
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Re: James COLEY, born 1828, Newick
« Reply #11 on: Monday 09 November 20 20:33 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Pennines,

It was just a thought there may have been an "interim" crime, although the judge probably warranted the assault on the parents to be serious enough to classify it as THE "previous conviction" for transportation to be considered.

On the plus side transportation was the "saving" of him as he flourished in NZ, fathering 12 children as a start!!!!

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Re: James COLEY, born 1828, Newick
« Reply #12 on: Monday 09 November 20 21:45 GMT (UK) »
From the Newick Village Society

John Martin and James Coley - a severe punishment for theft in 1839
http://newick.org/Histories/Coley,%20Martin%201839.pdf

Excellent!


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Re: James COLEY, born 1828, Newick
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 10 November 20 08:53 GMT (UK) »
Good Morning jonw65,

I could ask for nothing more.......thank you for the "magical" research........"....a severe punishment for theft in 1839" is the crowning glory, especially as the narrative provides an essential framework to complete a short biography.

For the moment, and again, thank you.

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Re: James COLEY, born 1828, Newick
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 10 November 20 10:41 GMT (UK) »
That was very interesting reading about the boys.

Trish :)
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Re: James COLEY, born 1828, Newick
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 10 November 20 12:47 GMT (UK) »
JonW - you have done it again! How on earth do you manage to keep finding such absolute gems for people. I am in awe.

BAC3 - you must be over the moon with this information. I am so pleased for you -- and very well done JonW.
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Re: James COLEY, born 1828, Newick
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 10 November 20 16:42 GMT (UK) »
I did think we could have done with finding it at the start, but perhaps it is better as some icing on the
cake :)
It was interesting, especially to be reminded of the poverty they lived in.
John

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Re: James COLEY, born 1828, Newick
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 27 November 22 06:22 GMT (UK) »
Jon,
Can you provide me with copies of James Coley's 2 newspaper articles a) the Brighton Patriot, 13 Dec. 1836 which reports on the 'assault' by James and his brother William on their parents and b) the Brighton Gazette, 2 Jan 1840 which records the bread theft by James and his mate, John Martin?

I am from New Zealand and do not know how to access your historical newspapers.  If anyone wants access to articles from Papers Past, NZ, I can help there.  However, you can probably access Papers Past NZ just as easily as I can.  They are completely free and digitised until about 1950.
Many thanks,
Fordy