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Emmins/Nunn East London
« on: Wednesday 11 November 20 18:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi Everyone.
I am just starting to research my family tree and have hit a few stumbling blocks already! My maternal grandmother, Ellen Amelia Emmins, born 1902, was one of at least 5 children born to Mary Ann Nunn, born 1881, and William Richard Emmins, Born 1878. My main query at the moment is regarding Mary Ann. Did she remarry after her husband died in 1916 and have a new family, possibly with a Mr Starling? Also, her parents are proving tricky to identify. Have a couple of possibilities but it's not helping that everyone seemed to be called "William" and "Mary Ann" back then!!
Any pointers will be greatfully received.
Many thanks.
Jan

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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 11 November 20 23:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Mary Ann Nunn, states she was born Old Ford abt 1880 so you need to follow her backwards in the census.  In 1881 Census she is with Parents William and Mary Nunn at 64 Armagh Rd  Parish of Bow RG11/489
Piece:   489
Folio:   142

William Nunn born abt 1844 Leytonstone, Essex
 Mary born abt 1849 Clerkenwell


1891 they are at 38 Bradwell Street, MIle Ford Old Town
RG12/307
Piece:   307
Folio:   27
In this Census  Mary Annís age has been transcribed as 4, when it is infact 11.

Place of birth keep changing, may be better to trace their children, starting with their births



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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 12 November 20 08:45 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat Jan  :D

Is this the marriage you are thinking of?

Marriages Dec 1921

Emmins    Mary A    Starling    W. Ham    4a   850
Starling    William R    Emmins    W.Ham    4a   850



Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire


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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 12 November 20 09:28 GMT (UK) »
was one of at least 5 children


Hello and welcome to RootsChat from me too.

If you look on the GRO website you can search (free, but you need to register) for births with mother's maiden name.
https://www.gro.gov.uk
This will give you these births for EMMINS and NUNN. Interestingly, I can't see Ellen Amelia in 1902 even with similar sounding names? Though I can see her baptism on 11 May 1910 which notes birth date 17 Jan 1902.
Dec qtr 1900   Mary Harriet Alice Victoria (West Ham)
Sep qtr 1904  William Richard   (Poplar) (died Mar qtr 1906 West Ham)
Jun qtr  1907  Robert William  (West Ham)
Jun qtr 1910  Harriet Sarah  (West Ham)
Sep qtr 1911  Charles (West Ham)
Jun qtr 1914  Rosina  (Poplar)
Jun qtr  1918  Florence  (West Ham) - are you sure William died in 1916?
Jun qtr 1918  Harold  (West Ham)  (died Sep qtr 1918)



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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 12 November 20 09:50 GMT (UK) »
In case you haven't seen it, interesting case in the Old Bailey - William Richard EMMINS found not guilty.
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?div=t19020113-145

Note the date: 13 Jan 1902

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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 12 November 20 09:53 GMT (UK) »
If this is William's birth record

EMMINS, WILLIAM  RICHARD     CHAPMAN 
GRO Reference: 1878  D Quarter in POPLAR  Volume 01C  Page 655

There is this on the CWGC website

PRIVATE
WILLIAM RICHARD EMMINS
Service Number: 19762
Regiment & Unit/Ship
Essex Regiment

9th Bn.

Date of Death
Died 11 August 1916

Buried or commemorated at
THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

Pier and Face 10 D.

France

If this is correct then William did indeed die in 1916.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 12 November 20 09:59 GMT (UK) »

 are you sure William died in 1916?


Ah, I see his death 11 Aug 1916 at Flanders. I can't see any other EMMINS/NUNN marriages in this time period,  if Florence and Harold are of the same family I wonder who their father was?  ???

Modified to add: sorry, didn't see your post Girl Guide.  :)

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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 12 November 20 10:11 GMT (UK) »
Florence and Harold were probably twins then

EMMINS, FLORENCE       NUNN 
GRO Reference: 1918  J Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 8

Births Jun 1918 
Emmins    Harold    Nunn    W.Ham    4a   8

With his death registered in the following quarter

EMMINS, HAROLD       0 
GRO Reference: 1918  S Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 9

As Maddy says, whoever their father was, can't have been William.
 
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 12 November 20 10:15 GMT (UK) »
Entry on Ancestry - Soldier's Effects - for William Richard Emmins who died 11 August 1916 - widow shown as Mary A.

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