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Re: Birth Augustus theophrutus Wynne Jones
« Reply #9 on: Friday 13 November 20 03:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Haywood

I have looked into whether Sarah was his mother but after dissecting everything he appears to be the son of Edward Jones and Margaret Wynne but will have another look

Thanks

Gill

How likely do you think it is that Edward and Margaret are his parents?  There is a large gap between Edward and Augustus and I cannot see any births registered in between.  Regardless of who his parents were, if his birth wasn't registered at all then you would find it hard to prove anything.

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Re: Birth Augustus theophrutus Wynne Jones
« Reply #10 on: Friday 13 November 20 07:59 GMT (UK) »
What details d you have for his baptism

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Re: Birth Augustus theophrutus Wynne Jones
« Reply #11 on: Friday 13 November 20 09:19 GMT (UK) »
That’s an interesting point LM re the baptism.
Were Edward and Margaret’s other children baptised soon after birth or was there a delay as with Augustus?
In 1871 5326/67/20 he is living with Sarah and family and Edward. Edward is entered as ‘Father in Law’ and Augustus, the next entry as ‘son’. This is ambiguous.
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Re: Birth Augustus theophrutus Wynne Jones
« Reply #12 on: Friday 13 November 20 09:55 GMT (UK) »
It's worth noting (Rootschatters) that Sarah was the sister whose child was christened the same day as Augustus. Augustus was christened first with Edward and Margaret as his parents and Sarah's child second.

From a tree I saw there was only four years between Augustus and the previous child of Edward and Margaret. Margaret, going by that tree, would have been around 45. Her age is possible and although the other children were regular until that small gap, her fertility would have been declining so it's not impossible that he was a little late or a miscarriage/stillbirth in between. The tree also indicates most of the other children died in infancy.

The outside possibility of Augustus being Sarah's was why I looked with no surname, in case he was registered under his father's (one of mine pretended to be married to the father at the time of birth). No joy. I looked for "Male JONES" too and although one appears in 1858 on FreeBMD I couldn't find it on GRO. Also wondering if he didn't get registered. Thinking about it, I didn't look to see if the other children of Edward and Margaret were registered...

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Re: Birth Augustus theophrutus Wynne Jones
« Reply #13 on: Friday 13 November 20 10:21 GMT (UK) »
Ayashi,
I have just looked at a tree where there is a birth and death for a child John Methusalem Jones 1853-1854.
This child is registered with mmn Griffiths.

Similarly, the tree has Edward George Jones 1844- 1845. This is linked to an indexed birth for George Jones. GRO shows the birth with mmn Evans.

GRO has a birth for a male Jones in September 1858 Abergavenny 11a pg 47 with mother Roberts. Is that the one you have seen?
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Re: Birth Augustus theophrutus Wynne Jones
« Reply #14 on: Friday 13 November 20 11:57 GMT (UK) »
Hi all
His baptism is recorded in Monmouthshire baptism records. As above ...yes he was baptised at the same time as his sister’s Child.  A couple of us working together have looked at him being the child of Sarah but we had discounted that. We know that he lived with Sarah and Thomas at one stage but as with many records who they are in the family they are not always accurate.  All of the families lived close to each other. Sarah was born in USA but all the others appear to have been born here.

The other church linked with this  family is St  Sannan’s.

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Re: Birth Augustus theophrutus Wynne Jones
« Reply #15 on: Friday 13 November 20 12:22 GMT (UK) »
From a tree I saw there was only four years between Augustus and the previous child of Edward

Edward was born in 1848 so about  9 years between them.

JONES, EDWARD  THOMAS
Mother's maiden surname: WYNN     
GRO Reference: 1849  S Quarter in ABERGAVENNY  Volume 26  Page 36

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Re: Birth Augustus theophrutus Wynne Jones
« Reply #16 on: Friday 13 November 20 12:48 GMT (UK) »
Yes Edward Thomas Jones was the son of Edward And Margaret Jones mmn Wynne

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Re: Birth Augustus theophrutus Wynne Jones
« Reply #17 on: Friday 13 November 20 13:11 GMT (UK) »
Do you have the older children’s baptisms?
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