Marriage details

[rob749]

Thanks Osprey, leaving out the Oliver bit did it, as you said, listed incorrectly. Thanks for that.

[osprey]

sometimes less is more!

 

[rob749]

Hi Again Everyone,
Just struggling a little trying to link the household census of my great grandfather (Henry Jones) from 1871 to 1881, please see attached transcriptions - hopefully they have worked this time!

He seems to have a different wife, maybe she died between those years and he remarried, but not sure how to go about verifying that, it's really difficult with the 'Jones' thing in West Wales. I have tried looking for marriages, deaths, childrens births to verify the mother etc, but not getting too far. The house name has changed, but he could have moved? The birth places all tie up for children and first wife, only thing is the eldest son David is not is not on 1871 census, would have been 14 - died maybe? Any advice would be helpful, thanks again.

[rob749]

Sorry first three attachments went wrong, I'll send again now

[osprey]

Given the gap between ages of children in 1881 census, certainly looks like 2 marriages.

Likely burial in Llandyfriog 18 June 1872 for Martha Jones 39 of Hen Bengelly in the parish of Cenarth

Possible for the marriage Henry Jones sept qtr 1856 Newcastle Emlyn vol 11b pg 31 with Martha Evans on the same page.
Possible birth reg for Rachel Jones dec qtr 1869 Newcastle Emlyn vol 11b pg 20 mmn Evans.

Possible for second marriage Henry Jones dec qtr 1874 Newcastle Emlyn vol 11b pg 53 with Sarah Jones on the same page
Birth reg for Peter Jones march qtr 1877 Newcastle Emlyn vol 11b pg 19 mmn Jones

By the way, I wouldn't rely on transcriptions of census entries. Always look at the scan as there may be errors or missing details. Also, give you an idea of the families around.

[osprey]

just found the parish register entry for the marriage of Henry & Martha

18 Sept 1856 parish church of Llandyfriog
Henry Jones 20 bach labourer Fronlas father William Jones labourer
Martha Evans 23 spinster Penddol father John Evans carpenter
both mark, witnesses John Evans & James Davies both sign.

1841 census Penddol Village HO107/1377/11 folio 26 pg 6
Martha Davies independent 
John Evans 35 carpenter not born in county
Mary 30
Martha 8
Richard 3 months
Owen 3 months

1851 Martha is a servant at Blaengwydon in Cenarth HO107/2482 folio 196 pg 18

https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/b475b845-432c-4d58-82fe-46e4af911828

[osprey]

1841 census Cnwcybettws, Cilrhedyn HO107/1383/10 folio 6 pg 4
William Jones 45 ag lab
Rachael 40 not born in county
Griffith 14
David 12
Samuel 10
James 8
Rachael 5
Henry 5 twins
Peter 2

map of Cnwcybettws (not as per transcription on FindMyPast Enwckybettens  )
https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/e48042cd-978e-4692-b6ac-856de6088842

possible birth reg for Peter Jones dec qtr 1838 Newcastle Emlyn vol 26 pg 574 mmn Evans

Not finding baptisms for any of the children, families could be non-conformist.

[rob749]

Wow! Thanks for all that detail Osprey, much appreciated. I do usually look at the document, but the transcription was a smaller size, so it was easier to upload on to the forum just for information purposes. Thanks again for your time and effort.

[osprey]

if you're posting transcriptions, you can use the ones from FamilySearch which is free and you can just add the link

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V55G-VS5

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-BZMM