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Jones Brickwall
« on: Monday 16 November 20 17:49 GMT (UK) »
I am following a line of enquiry to resolve my Jones brickwall.

I have all available information forward from this:
1851 Census: HO107/1541 - F   p   - 4 North St, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
William Jones, Head, M, 31,  Grocer, Berks, Windsor
Ann Jones, Wife, M, 27, Surrey, Dulwich

In 1861 his place of birth was given as Clewer, Berkshire

In 1867 he married for the second time 14TH December 1867. Parish Church in the Parish of Clewer, Berkshire
Groom: William Jones, full age, Widower, Coal Merchant, Spital, Father: William Jones, Lighterman
Witnesses were the Parish Clerk and a Pew Opener, but intriguing that he returned to his pob for his 2nd marriage. First marriage was in 1843 St Lukes, Norwood - witnesses connected to the bride.

In 1871,81 & 91 his pob was shown as Windsor.

The line of enquiry I'm following applies these christenings and burials to William Jones b 1819:
CHRISTENINGS:
A   14th February 1819. Parish of New Windsor, Berkshire. William s/o William & Mary Bargeman of Spital
Others to same? parents:
B.    26th May 1822 Mary Jones, St Andrew, Clewer d/o William Jones Lab and Mary of Spital Row b 28th April 1822
C.    7 May 1826 Charlotte Jones. St Andrew, Clewer. d/o Wiliam Jones Bargeman and Mary of Spital

OTHER:
Berkshire Burial Index:
Charlotte Jones, age 7, born 1826, Spittall. Burial 1 August 1833. St Andrew, Clewer, Berkshire.
Mary Jones, aged 45, born 1785, Spittall. Burial 17 Jan 1830. St Andrew, Clewer.
William Jones. Aged 43, born 1782. Spittall. Burial 8 December 1825. St Andrew, Clewer.
Mary Jones, age 19, Born 1820, Clewer. Burial 23 December 1839, St John the Baptist, New Windsor.
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In this basis, William is without parents from 1830, aged 11 and unless taken in by other members of family, he would most likely come under the authority of the Poor Law and would either be taken in by them or apprenticed - Clewer was in the Windsor Union.

My question is should I contact Berkshire RO to enquire about Poor Law records for William Jones b 1819 - are they working at the moment? Or should I follow up the father of William - also William Jones, Bargeman? I have been in touch with the Company of Watermen and Lightermen and said I am interested in a Lighterman/Bargeman living in Clewer and received the reply: We only have records for the Thames.  We may have some information. The information we recorded was the apprentice’s name, date bound (as an apprentice to the Company), place, his master’s name and the date if/when he gained his freedom of the Company.
An additional charge would be made for searching other of our records

Has anyone had any success with the Company of Watermen and Lightermen?

Thanks in advance




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Re: JONES Brickwall
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 17 November 20 09:17 GMT (UK) »
? Do you have his first marriage

GRO Index

JONES Thomas Dickens:  mother's maiden name : DOWSE

Reference: 1847, M Quarter in Bethnal Green Volume 02 Page 15


Marriage Sept Qtr 1843 (Lambeth District)

William JONES/Ann DOWSE

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Re: JONES Brickwall
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 17 November 20 09:24 GMT (UK) »

Marriage at St Luke's Norwood Parish of Lambeth, Surrey

20 august 1843

William JONES, of full age, Bachelor, Grocer, residence: Norwood
father: William JONES (decd)

Ann DOWSE, a Minor, Spinster, residence: Norwood,
father: Thomas DOWSE, Labourer

both write their name

witnesses: James DOWSE and Sarah DOWSE

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Re: JONES Brickwall
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 17 November 20 09:26 GMT (UK) »
Thanks - Yes I have her and traced her side back quite a few generations. It's William Jones 1819(ish) I'm stuck on.



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Re: JONES Brickwall
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 17 November 20 09:53 GMT (UK) »
The middle name DICKENS - would be a family surname, along with the other children's names.

As William JONES is Grocer out of business - there might be newspapers clippings etc re bankruptcy etc.




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Re: JONES Brickwall
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 17 November 20 10:00 GMT (UK) »
William & Ann JONES' children 1861 census

William
Thomas (DICKINS)
Edward G or T
Ann P
Charlotte A


Family Search - has these children of William JONES and Mary at Clewer, Berkshire

Benjamin - 29 November 1801
Mary - birth 28 April 1822 - christening: 26 May 1822

Charlotte - birth: 13 April 1826 christening 7 May 1826

(lots of gaps in the children's baptisms)

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Re: JONES Brickwall
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 17 November 20 16:04 GMT (UK) »
William & Ann JONES' children 1861 census

William
Thomas (DICKINS)
Edward G or T
Ann P
Charlotte A

I've traced this whole family and descendants forward and have found no trace of Dickins or Dickens being a family name - but it is something i should consider - so thanks for posting that.



Family Search - has these children of William JONES and Mary at Clewer, Berkshire

Benjamin - 29 November 1801
Mary - birth 28 April 1822 - christening: 26 May 1822

Charlotte - birth: 13 April 1826 christening 7 May 1826

(lots of gaps in the children's baptisms)

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Re: JONES Brickwall
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 17 November 20 16:20 GMT (UK) »
BRO New Landscapes





Has a good map 1817 of Clewer - which shows how close the River Thames was.

Also states in 1801 there were 1,695 inhabitants.



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This I assume?  is the other Mary JONES - who is living on the 1851 census, Spital Road, Clewer

John TODD - 60 - labourer
Mary TODD -
Mary JONES - daughter unmarried - 26 - born Berks Spital
Charles TODD - son - 23 - labourer

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Re: JONES Brickwall
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 17 November 20 16:26 GMT (UK) »
Thames Watermen & Lightermen 1688-2010 and
London, Watermen, List Of Free Watermen, 1827
records are available on Findmypast.

I have Thames Lightermen on my Tree going back at least four generations. They also have a common surname similar to Jones, so finding the correct lighterman on the above records is not easy.


Tony
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