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Looking for possible relations?
« on: Tuesday 17 November 20 14:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
I've recently enquired regarding the location of my Grandmother and Grandfather's ashes.  We found them in a garden of remembrance at our local Crematorium.
Along with their ashes we have found out that two other people with the same family surname are scattered in the same area.  It's such an unusual surname that its possible that they could be related in some way but cannot find any information regarding them except for wills and death records.  I wonder if anyone could possibly help with any further information regarding them please?
Albert Woldemar (Voldemar) Toop born 07/10/1905 died April 1971
Salme Rosalie Toop born 27/07/1898 possibly Reigate? died 27/10/1979
Any help would be much appreciated.
Many thanks
Andrea

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Re: Looking for possible relations?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 17 November 20 15:00 GMT (UK) »
An Albert Voldemor Toop was applying for British citizenship in 1949-

Western Mail (Cardiff), 8 Sept.1949: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that ALBERT VOLDEMAR TOOP of 11, Dyr-y-Sanadoed, Rumney in the City of Cardiff is APPLYING to the Home Secretary for NATURALISATION. and that any Person who knows ... why Naturalisation should not be granted should send ...

Western Mail (Cardiff), 23 Jan.1958: NAMED FOR HIS MOTHER CAPTAIN ALBERT TOOP put on his uniform last night—for the first time for five years. Then he stood with his wife beside a picture of the little ship that was his life—the Anna Toop, the ship he named after his ...
(may or may not be th same Albert Toop)

Lots of other possible newspaper articles on Find My Past (I can only use free search)
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 17 November 20 15:29 GMT (UK) »

Western Mail (Cardiff), 23 Jan.1958: NAMED FOR HIS MOTHER CAPTAIN ALBERT TOOP put on his uniform last night—for the first time for five years. Then he stood with his wife beside a picture of the little ship that was his life—the Anna Toop, the ship he named after his ...
(may or may not be th same Albert Toop)

Lots of other possible newspaper articles on Find My Past (I can only use free search)

The article is continued on another page, it mentions Captain Albert Toop's wife, Salme who was "a qualified barrister who had become a leader of the Estonian community in Cardiff".  The article reports the accidental sinking of the Ship "Anna Toop" which Albert had a half share in and named after his mother. There is a photo of Albert with his wife.
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/Smethwick.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton


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Re: Looking for possible relations?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 17 November 20 15:39 GMT (UK) »
Possible marriage here

Marriages Dec 1923

Ling    Hilda E    Toop    Reading    2c   923
Toop    Albert V    Ling    Reading    2c   923

Sorry, just realised marriage won't be right as Albert's wife is Salme  ::)

Was this Albert perhaps?

Name:   
Albert Toop
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Event Type:   
Immigration
Event Date:   
1916-1930
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Event Place:   
Antwerpen, Belgium
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Birth Year:   
1905
Birthplace:   
Kuresaare, Estonia
File Number:   
186294
Image Number:   
417
Record Number:   
25063
Record Number:   
25063

From Family Search - As far as I can make out birth date is 9 October 1905

Record is Belgium, Antwerp Police Immigration Index, 1840-1930
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 17 November 20 16:07 GMT (UK) »
Did you obtain Salme's will?

TOOP Salme Rosalie of Reigate Duffryn Road Cyncoed Cardiff died 18 October 1979 Probate Llandaff 18 December £83996  791807063R

Deaths Dec 1979
TOOP    SALME ROSALIE    ABOUT1898    S GLAMORGAN    28   2351
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 17 November 20 16:16 GMT (UK) »
An Albert Voldemor Toop was applying for British citizenship in 1949-

Western Mail (Cardiff), 8 Sept.1949: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that ALBERT VOLDEMAR TOOP of 11, Dyr-y-Sanadoed, Rumney in the City of Cardiff is APPLYING to the Home Secretary for NATURALISATION. and that any Person who knows ... why Naturalisation should not be granted should send ...

Further down the column is the same notice for Salme Rosalie Toop, the address for both is 11 Dyr-y-Sarn Road, Rumney (digitised text was a bit garbled  ;D)
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/Smethwick.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 17 November 20 16:20 GMT (UK) »
Salme's birthdate is given as 27 Feb 1898 in the 1939.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 17 November 20 17:03 GMT (UK) »
FindMyPast have merchant seaman records for Albert Toop.
Born 07.10.1905 in Kuresaar, Estonia. 
Probably Kuressaare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuressaare

One record notes his Certificate of Naturalisation dated 02.10.1950 and has a photo identity card.

ADDED: Just realised, birth place Kuressaare was on the immigration record GG found in reply #3)
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/Smethwick.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton

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Re: Looking for possible relations?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 17 November 20 18:16 GMT (UK) »
Were your grandparent s Toop or Voldamar s ?
Are you hoping to go back a generation to find how they are related ?

Were any of them on 1911 census ?
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