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Re: GIFFORD baptism 1904 RUSHALL
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 19 November 20 20:10 GMT (UK) »
Suzard, that's brilliant, thankyou so much!
What does that ww1 record mean though as the wife is definitely right but is the pension through her son Alexander?
Oh wow! Mabel bagshaw, does it give any other details at all please?
I wouldn't know where to start on finding those records.
I can't find any trave of Charles William on any census at any time! (that's what I've been doing) frustrating x
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Re: GIFFORD baptism 1904 RUSHALL
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 19 November 20 20:23 GMT (UK) »
The lunacy registers aren't much help beyond name,  dates of admission & discharge and institution

I was assuming this was your man on 1891

Charles W Gifford    24  single, farmer b Cowlinge

Address Bloomfields Farm

Class: RG12; Piece: 1437; Folio: 17; Page: 6;


1881 - Elms Farm, Cowlinge

Charles Gifford    54
Ellen Gifford    46
Ellen Jane Gifford    17
Charles W. Gifford    14  <<<<
Alexander M. Gifford    8
John Morley    38 - visitor, congregational Minister
Ellen Dearsley    32 - servant

Class: RG11; Piece: 1823; Folio: 56; Page: 13;

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Re: GIFFORD baptism 1904 RUSHALL
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 19 November 20 20:29 GMT (UK) »
I dont quite understand the WW1 record and as I cant get to the image I am wondering if it has been mistranscribed

Quarter sessions Suffolk Oct 1892
Charles William Gifford inflicting grevious bodily harm 1 calendar month hard labour

I can findCharles William Gifford on census up to 1891 if you would like them but none after that

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Re: GIFFORD baptism 1904 RUSHALL
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 19 November 20 22:11 GMT (UK) »
Ok - think I;ve found him in 1901

There's a CWG, farmer b Cowlinge in the Suffolk County Lunatic Asylum. He's transcribed as aged 55, but there's a line across the age in the image so could well be 35. Listed as a lunatic

RG13; Piece: 1785; Folio: 139; Page: 27

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Re: GIFFORD baptism 1904 RUSHALL
« Reply #13 on: Friday 20 November 20 07:52 GMT (UK) »
Suzard, I'm a member of findmypast but can't even find the record, it's annoying lol.
I've got him up to 1891 thanks hun.


Mabel wow you have! Poor bloke (and his family) wonder why he was in and out of asylums all the time?
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Re: GIFFORD baptism 1904 RUSHALL
« Reply #14 on: Friday 20 November 20 07:56 GMT (UK) »
Frustratingly I live near the suffolk records office but they're moving all their archive stuff to a new location, hopefully in early 21,so won't be able to access the records till then :( x
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Re: GIFFORD baptism 1904 RUSHALL
« Reply #15 on: Friday 20 November 20 19:01 GMT (UK) »
A bit more on that WWI record which may help. I haven;t got access to the image either, but

Private Alexander Charles Gifford
Service Number:    65671
Royal Northumberland Fusiliers

Other Ranks Died Gibson R-Gilbert J  [think this is the section of the index that is being transcribed]

Next of Kin:    
Name                                       Relation to Soldier
Alexander Charles Gifford    
Florence S.B.M. Gifford                 Mother

So I think the suggestion is that Florence is next of kin/a dependent and so recipient of the pension

The challenge is I can;t find a WWI death of Alexander Gifford

Added: and the medal rolls list him as still serving

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Re: GIFFORD baptism 1904 RUSHALL
« Reply #16 on: Friday 20 November 20 19:32 GMT (UK) »
Florence S. B. M Gifford
Residence Year:   1945
Street Address:   Madingley Road 6
Residence Place:   Cambridgeshire
2 other females same address different surnames
She also at that address 1935/1939 name  Florence Susan Gifford
Cambridgeshire, England, Electoral Registers, Burgess Rolls and Poll Books, 1722-1966

You can find her on 1939 Register  bn1873 living Cambridge

Edit to add this looks  to be her baptism

Florence Susan Blanche May Turner
Baptism 24 May 1874   Westley Waterless, Cambridge
Father:   Robert Turner Mother:   Salome

She’s on 1881/1891 census as Flora Turner bn c1874 Westley

1881 RG11; Piece: 1674; Folio: 15; Page: 23
1891 RG12; Piece: 1292; Folio: 23; Page: 17



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Re: GIFFORD baptism 1904 RUSHALL
« Reply #17 on: Friday 20 November 20 20:15 GMT (UK) »
On 15/9/1891 in Bury & Norwich post there is a report of animal cruelty Charles Gifford of Cowlinge reported by RSPCA.

Then 29/10/1892 in Bury & Norwich Post a case of GBH against a bailiff. He is called hot tempered.

There are further newspaper reports about Charles William Gifford of Priory Farm, Rushall, threatening James William Reeder a horseman, Charles fired 4 times into the air.  Threatened James Reeder and locked the gate so he couldn’t remove his horses.

Charles Gifford was bound £100 with 2 £5 sureties and to keep the peace for 6 months

This is in
Norwich Mercury 28/10/1905
Eastern Daily 26/10/1905