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Re: Date of birth record
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 21 November 20 12:31 GMT (UK) »
Gordon,

Can you tell us where the family were in 1841, who was all listed, ages etc. just prior to the birth of wee Alfred Henry?

If any of their daughters are not at home, have you found where they are which may hold a clue?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

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Re: Date of birth record
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 21 November 20 13:24 GMT (UK) »
Alfred Henry Cookson - b 1842/43 North Shields or Chester le Street

1842 - NBL  - 0 births - Alfred Brown or Cookson
1842 - NBL - 0 births - Henry Brown or Cookson
1843 - NBL - 0 births - Alfred Brown or Cookson
1843 - NBL - 1 birth - Henry Brown (below) - 0 births Henry Cookson

In terms of distance from N/Shields, this looks like a contender...

Births Sep 1843 -  BROWN  Henry - Tynemouth - Vol 25 - Pg 400

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Date of birth record
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 21 November 20 13:28 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if Thomas Brown was widowed by the time of the 1841 census? A number of public trees would seem to support this. In 1841 he is recorded in Cresswell as 45 with Ann Brown 25, Margaret Jefferson 25, James Brown 15, Thomas Armstrong 5, Margt. Jefferson 5, James Brown 3 and Elizabeth Jefferson 9mo.

It is quite possible that the young James Brown was the illegitimate son of Ann Brown as there is a baptism in Newbiggen 22 Oct 1837 for James Brown illegitimate son of Ann Brown singlewoman of Cresswell.

The wording on the 1851 census is of interest  as the older James Brown is showing as head of the household. Thomas Brown is showing as father but Mary Brown is recorded as mother in law. This may suggest that Thomas Brown remarried between the two censuses. There is a possible marriage to Mary Rughead in Newcastle 14 Aug 1843.

Have you considered that Alfred H Cookson's line might be through Thomas Brown's second wife?

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Re: Date of birth record
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 21 November 20 13:38 GMT (UK) »
In terms of distance from N/Shields, this looks like a contender...

Births Sep 1843 -  BROWN  Henry - Tynemouth - Vol 25 - Pg 400

Annie  :)
Just popping in to say that the distance between the two places was of no significance in terms of registration.  Tynemouth was a very large Registration District which included North Shields.
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Re: Date of birth record
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 21 November 20 14:06 GMT (UK) »
Thanks JenB,

I'll be honest, although I'm descended of Newcastle & Durham folk, my knowledge of the areas isn't great.

My thought was, with the little we have to go on & 2 possible areas of birth, I thought the North Shields 1 looked good as Chester le Street seemed quite a bit away?

William...

1842 - NBL - 0 births - Alfred Rughead
1842 - NBL - 0 births - Henry Rughead
1843 - NBL - 0 births - Alfred Rughead
1843 - NBL - 0 births - Henry Rughead


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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Date of birth record
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 21 November 20 14:16 GMT (UK) »
Hello to everybody trying to help with this mystery - I am surprised but very grateful to people trying to help.
I do have most of the possible records and relationships on my tree on Ancestry and it may be better if I provide a link so you can see what I have - my user name is gordonbrown86.
The theory about Alfred Henry Cookson was that he was the son of 'one' of Thomas Brown's daughters who worked as a servant to the Cookson family of Chester le street,  but I think you have now proved it wasn't Ann - if Ann was Thomas's daughter as I cant find a baptism and the 1841 census doesn't say kinship.
these are the Cookson family in question.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meldon_Park
Cheers,
Gordon.
ps i am quite happy to order these possible records just to see - I do have a large collection ()of wrong ones!

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Re: Date of birth record
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 21 November 20 14:22 GMT (UK) »
In terms of distance from N/Shields, this looks like a contender...

Births Sep 1843 -  BROWN  Henry - Tynemouth - Vol 25 - Pg 400

Mothers maiden surname Robson

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« Reply #25 on: Saturday 21 November 20 14:25 GMT (UK) »
yes Robson - just beat me to it. no good....

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Re: Date of birth record
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 21 November 20 14:39 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Rosie, I think he can be eliminated  ;)

Gordon, I'm unsure why you think we've 'proved' Ann wasn't the mother of Alfred Henry?

I think we still have a lot to do yet to prove anything?

Have you found what happened to Ann up until her death & who the informant was?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"