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Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 22 November 20 10:10 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, everyone. Here’s more detail as requested.

Baptisms of Alexander and Sarah/Marion’s children, all at Drimnin St Columba’s RC, possibly under employer influence from the Drummonds.
MCINTYN DUNCAN to ALEXANDER MCINTYN/SARA MCPHERSON
birth 5/3/1847 / baptism 7/3/1847

MACINTYRE JOHN to ALEXANDER MACINTYRE/MARION MACPHERSON
baptism 18/6/1851

MACINTYRE MARY MARGARET to ALEXR MACINTYRE/MARION MACHERSON
baptism 2/7/1854

MACINTYRE FLORA to ALEXR MACINTYRE/MARION MACPHERSON
baptism 7/6/1858

In the 1851 census, the family is at Aulisten, Morvern – Alexander, Sarah and a 2 year old son, Colin. Not sure if this is another child or Duncan with a different age and name as there’s fluidity of both in the records.
In the 1861 census, they’re at Kirktown, Muckairn - Colin, 11, John 9, Margaret 7, and Flora, my g grandmother, 3.
In 1864, John, aged 15, dies in the Infirmary in Inverness – death cert gives parents as Alexander and Sarah MS McPherson and cause of death smallpox
In 1871, Alexander, Sarah, Colin and Flora are in Oban
In 1874, Sarah dies in Oban - death cert gives husband as Alexander and parents as Malcolm McPherson, inn keeper, and Flora McPherson MS Black and cause of death consumption
In 1881, Alexander, Colin and Flora are in Oban,
In 1891, Colin and Flora are in Oban, with George Davidson, my g grandfather as a boarder
In 1898, Colin dies, having been badly burnt in a fishing boat accident
In 1901, Flora dies, never having married George but having a handful of children with him, including George, my grandfather. Not to get sidetracked but Flora appears to have been in and out of Inverary Jail from the late 1870s onwards.

So the mysteries are:
1. Alexander’s death – I’ve now looked at all SP death certs that could be in scope and ruled them out, hence my thought that he died outside Scotland
2. Mary Margaret, who I can’t trace with any certainty after 1861, though there’s an 1871 Oban census entry for a Margaret McIntyre, a 16 year old servant in Oban which could be her
3. Duncan/Colin – are these definitely two separate sons? Duncan isn’t documented with the family after his birth and I can’t find a baptism record for Colin or a death record for Duncan.

Perthshire: Cram, Kirk, Cairns, Monteath
Edinburgh: Baillie
Morvern and Isle of Mull, Argyllshire: McIntyre, McGregor
Uist, Invernessshire: McPherson
Inverness: Davidson
Aberdeenshire/Banffshire: Thain
Ireland: Foley, O'Sullivan

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Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 22 November 20 10:18 GMT (UK) »
He is definitely on both censuses in Oban - High Street in 1871 and Argyll Square in 1881.

MCINTYRE
ALEXANDER
1871
M
66
523/ 2/ 13
Kilmore and Kilbride

MCINTYRE
ALEXANDER
1881
M
74
523/ 4/ 6
Kilmore and Kilbride

Perthshire: Cram, Kirk, Cairns, Monteath
Edinburgh: Baillie
Morvern and Isle of Mull, Argyllshire: McIntyre, McGregor
Uist, Invernessshire: McPherson
Inverness: Davidson
Aberdeenshire/Banffshire: Thain
Ireland: Foley, O'Sullivan

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Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 22 November 20 10:34 GMT (UK) »
My working assumption is that this is Alexander’s baptism:

MACINTYRE ALEXANDER
DONALD MACINTYRE/ISOBEL MACINNIS FR22 (FR22)
M
19/06/1815
528/10 30
Morvern

And so these the baptisms of two siblings:
MACINTYRE DONALD
DONALD MACINTYRE/ISOBEL MACINNIS FR24 (FR24)
M
12/02/1817
528/10 34
Morvern

MCINTYRE PEGGY
DONALD MCINTYRE/ISOBEL MCINNES FR70 (FR70)
F
22/12/1825
528/20 16
Morvern
Perthshire: Cram, Kirk, Cairns, Monteath
Edinburgh: Baillie
Morvern and Isle of Mull, Argyllshire: McIntyre, McGregor
Uist, Invernessshire: McPherson
Inverness: Davidson
Aberdeenshire/Banffshire: Thain
Ireland: Foley, O'Sullivan

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Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 22 November 20 10:46 GMT (UK) »
Ah! Kilmore & Kilbride, not Oban & the age puts his birth around 1805/1807.

What ages were on previous census?


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Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 22 November 20 10:53 GMT (UK) »
Have you looked outside of Scotland?
This is possibly the son Duncan in 1901, Cheshire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS66-B37
I think Duncan’s death ( age 57) is registered June 1904, Nantwich, Cheshire.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 22 November 20 11:02 GMT (UK) »
Ah! Kilmore & Kilbride, not Oban & the age puts his birth around 1805/1807.

What ages were on previous census?

Think Oban is within Kilmore and Kilbride? It says Oban at the top of the census pages. Sorry if I misled...
You're right to ask about ages! Fluidity is an understatement. I've gone for the 1815 baptism record above because that's the only Alexander McIntyre in Morvern between 1802 and 1818 and the censuses are consistent in giving Morvern as his birthplace. But it's debatable...
Census ages are:
1841 - 30
1851 - 40
1861 - 50 
1871 - 66
1881 - 74
It looks as if 1871 is the real outlier.
Perthshire: Cram, Kirk, Cairns, Monteath
Edinburgh: Baillie
Morvern and Isle of Mull, Argyllshire: McIntyre, McGregor
Uist, Invernessshire: McPherson
Inverness: Davidson
Aberdeenshire/Banffshire: Thain
Ireland: Foley, O'Sullivan

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Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 22 November 20 11:06 GMT (UK) »
Have you considered that as a fisherman, he may have been lost at sea, and there was no record of his death?
have you searched newspapers for any reference to him?
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 22 November 20 11:10 GMT (UK) »
Have you looked outside of Scotland?
This is possibly the son Duncan in 1901, Cheshire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS66-B37
I think Duncan’s death ( age 57) is registered June 1904, Nantwich, Cheshire.

Thank you! I assume I could order the certificate from GRO though I understand English death certs don't give parents' names. Having said that, this Duncan is definitely a possible (shades of Oasis's Definitely Maybe on a Sunday morning).
Perthshire: Cram, Kirk, Cairns, Monteath
Edinburgh: Baillie
Morvern and Isle of Mull, Argyllshire: McIntyre, McGregor
Uist, Invernessshire: McPherson
Inverness: Davidson
Aberdeenshire/Banffshire: Thain
Ireland: Foley, O'Sullivan

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Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 22 November 20 11:13 GMT (UK) »
Have you considered that as a fisherman, he may have been lost at sea, and there was no record of his death?
have you searched newspapers for any reference to him?

That's a good thought. I'm newish to genealogy and haven't yet got into using a wider range of resources, including newspaper archives.
Perthshire: Cram, Kirk, Cairns, Monteath
Edinburgh: Baillie
Morvern and Isle of Mull, Argyllshire: McIntyre, McGregor
Uist, Invernessshire: McPherson
Inverness: Davidson
Aberdeenshire/Banffshire: Thain
Ireland: Foley, O'Sullivan