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Re: John Rees, Margaret Rees (nee Samuel) and family in 1861!
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 16 January 21 16:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi Roy

Many thanks for all the work you've done on this.  I'm going to be busy until the end of the month but look forward to digesting your posts.

Cheers

Cyfrifydd

No problem. I forgot to add Margaret Rees (1809-1872) who married David Samuel (1805-1873) can also be attributed as a daughter of John Rees of Wayngrychydd as their daughter Ann Samuel is living with her Uncle Cornelius in the 1851 and 1861 censuses

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Re: John Rees, Margaret Rees (nee Samuel) and family in 1861!
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 17 January 21 12:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I have managed to find the obituary of Cornelius Rees https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3201842/3201844/5/
Although in Welsh if you cut and paste into Google translate it does a reasonable job of translating it. In this is mentioned another brother the Rev D. Rees of Braintree and Australia! From this we can attribute David Rees 1806 - 1885 (Victoria, Australia) as another brother. He married a Mary Eliza Curtis (1811-1849) on 24 Jun 1811 St George Hanover Square, London, England and after her death he emigrated with his children to Australia.

Another possible attribution as a brother of Cornelius is William. From Ancestry trees there seem to be 2 candidates; a William Rees (1798) a Farmer/Butcher of Soho, Hengoed who married an Elizabeth Morgan and a William Rees (1791) Farmer of Tynyrheol, Hengoed who married a Catherine James. Of these 2, I currently favour the later as there are some tenuous links with other family members. William of Tynyrheol had a son Hector Rees born around 1825-1828. From other trees Hector married an Anne Robert in 1849 and was a Farmer of Grogwynion(?) Llanddarog and is with his family in the 1851 and 1861 census. In 1871 he is not with them though Ann is listed as married and not a Widow. I think this is because Hector Rees (married) is the lodger, labourer of Llanelly living in Glamorgan with Henry Bowen and his wife Margaret Bowen (nee Rees). Margaret Rees being the daughter of John Rees Blaenhiraeth-Tynyrheol. That John Rees was Farming at Tynyrheol in 1871 and his potential brother William was farming it in 1841 and 1851 provides another tenous link. Arguing against this is that Tynyrheiol in 1861 was not occupied by Rees' and a Daniel Harris, a Carter and William Isaac, a Shepherd’s boy were living there, so there is no continual link in the Rees line. Also Hector was listed as a labourer in 1871 and Farmer in 1851 and 1861, though there is a note in a family tree to say that in August 1868 there was a sale of stock and crop at Grogwynion due to Hector selling up and moving to Llanelly.

This leaves Elizabeth, Hannah and Mary not definitely assigned in the census as children of John of Wayngrychydd, though others have made attributions, but I have no idea what these are based on. If anyone could shed any light on these I would be delighted to hear.


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Re: John Rees, Margaret Rees (nee Samuel) and family in 1861!
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 17 January 21 14:59 GMT (UK) »
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In Cornelius's obituary (1877), one sister, is stated as still alive "Mrs. Samuel, Bryngwynbach". The obvious candidate is Margaret Rees (1809) who married David Samuel (1805-1873?). However, I have her dying around 1872, with her last known address in 1871 as Llwun y farchweb and I can't obviously find her in the 1881 census? Can anyone help solve this conundrum?

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Re: John Rees, Margaret Rees (nee Samuel) and family in 1861!
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 19 January 21 18:34 GMT (UK) »
William Rees of Soho was the son of John Rees and Elizabeth of Wayngrychydd/Gellylysged as he was in attendance at Elizabeth’s death

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Re: John Rees, Margaret Rees (nee Samuel) and family in 1861!
« Reply #32 on: Friday 22 January 21 08:15 GMT (UK) »
Just when you think you have got things sorted!

I thought I had resolved that John Rees (1812-1872, Blaenhiraeth 1841, 1851, “missing’ 1861, Tynrheol 1871) was one of the sons of John Rees (1767) Wayngrychydd. However, this may not be the case. An alternative suggestion is that he is instead the son on William Rees (1791-1873) and his wife Catherine James of Tynrheol. This may also be correct!

It is not disputed that John Rees (1812) married Margaret Samuel and that their daughter Elizabeth Rees (1839) was living with her Uncle and Aunt Cornelius and Elizabeth Rees in 1861. However, it turns out Cornelius’s wife Elizabeth Rees (nee Rees) was the daughter of William Rees (1791) of Tynrheol. Therefore the niece Elizabeth Rees with them in 1861 could be a niece because John Rees (1812) is a brother of Cornelius or because he is a brother of Elizabeth!

Any thoughts on this are welcome!