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Eliza Jane Harkness Married John Quirey 1883
« on: Monday 23 November 20 15:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Can anyone advise please,

I can see that they both lived in Lillyput street - I can not work out William Quireys profession

Also How would Tell if any brothers sisters to John Quirey - I am to work out  Defiantly married in Harkness  Family as Mother in Law was present at death.  A Harkness

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Re: Eliza Jane Harkness Married John Quirey 1883
« Reply #1 on: Monday 23 November 20 16:01 GMT (UK) »

... I can not work out William Quireys profession ...


Fireman.  :)

Just posting the registration for others to see...
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10931/5994113.pdf

The initial 'F' looks like a match for that in 'Farmer' in the marriage registration below it in that link.

Edited to add: From the 1880 Belfast street directory listing for Lilliput Street on the Lennon Wylie website:

27. Quiery, Wm., fireman

https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/Lcomplete1880.htm

The 1884 Belfast street directory on the PRONI website lists the street as Lillyput Street, no. 27's occupier is:

Quiery, Wm., fireman

There's a different occupier in the 1887 Belfast street directory.


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Re: Eliza Jane Harkness Married John Quirey 1883
« Reply #2 on: Monday 23 November 20 16:48 GMT (UK) »
Oh i see - I did not think of that !

Thanks -
Theres no way to Confirm Johns Mother as the Pre 1850 correct ?

 

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Re: Eliza Jane Harkness Married John Quirey 1883
« Reply #3 on: Monday 23 November 20 18:29 GMT (UK) »
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!


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Re: Eliza Jane Harkness Married John Quirey 1883
« Reply #4 on: Monday 23 November 20 21:38 GMT (UK) »
Wow ok that looks quite possible...
What is the husbands profession.?
I can not make it out
Thanks so much for the help..

I did not realise how big the Quirey's are lol

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Re: Eliza Jane Harkness Married John Quirey 1883
« Reply #5 on: Monday 23 November 20 22:06 GMT (UK) »

What is the husbands profession.?


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Re: Eliza Jane Harkness Married John Quirey 1883
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 24 November 20 01:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi sjgrace53,

You gave me a giggle with your (Deliberate? Dark humour?) "mistake".
[Or were you simply failing to master an "intelligent" I-Paddy like me?!]

I've dragged myself from my sick bed to reply.
["Man marries defiantly in to family ... Mother-in-law present at death." Brilliant!]

Also, "Lilliput" is the correct spelling for the street incorporating the separate residences of John & Elizabeth.
[It is, of course, named after the fictitious island country created by Jonathan Swift.
 He was the (in)famous Dean of St. Patrick's (CoI) in Dublin.
  Such was apparently inspired by his visit to a country house near a lough in county West Meath.
  It had associations with St. Patrick' sister "Lilipat" (?).
 There he observed "little" people across the other side of the lough ..."  Click!
 This inspired the creation of his great literary work "Gulliver's Travels" in 1726.
 This was his great "piss take" (er, satire/parody) of society & politics of the time.
 As such he was expressing his frustration at being "exiled" from his beloved England.
 Such caused by his Tory "high heelers" stance rather than adhering to Whig "low heelers" ideals.
 George I became King in 1714, after Queen Anne's death, surrounding himself with Whig advisers.]

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Looking at a map of Belfast, Lilliput Street is located just off (South) of Limestone Road.
It is not very long ... How did it manage to incorporate 48 (at least) houses?
[Did some wit name it thus, or was it "designed" for the Hoi-Poloi, with a certain "Je ne avais quoi"? Hopefully not a shared (outside) toilet!
 In modern day parlance, such would be known as "social housing".]

It is close to the Eastern end of Limestone Road, before it joins York Road (?Now York Street).
Just down (Southward) York Road, past Hanna St., is St. Paul's CoI church (now St. Paul's & St. Barnabas).
[So it can only have been a few skips and a wee jump for them to get to the marriage venue!]

Opposite is the "York Road" railway station.
This was created as the terminus of the Ballymena-Belfast Railway Company's effort in 1848.
Such railway was extended through Coleraine to Derry in 1855.

Nearby (SE) to the station is the the Whitla St. Fire Station (created 1895).

A (small) tad further East are the docks, leading out to the sea via the Herdman, Victoria & Musgrave channels.

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I'd interpret John QUIREY's profession (on the transcribed marriage record)  as "Seaman".

Possibly his father William might have been a "Fireman" in the modern sense ("bee, baw, bee, baw").
[Assuming such was around ad hoc before the creation of the formal fire station.]

However, I'd vote for him being a fire stoker aboard steam ships or steam trains.
Most probably the latter.
[Hmm, if he was in employment with the Railway company, and had so been for a protracted time (e.g. > 30 years) then he might have been entitled to a "long service watch" and (unusually for the time) a company pension.
Records are in PRONI.
Success depends on company & timeframe.
I helped someone with this a long while back ...]

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You will not find any civil records of births before 1864.
So must chase church records.

? Start at the obvious (St. Paul's).

However, be aware that Belfast was boom town in the late 19thC.
Folks came from all over, due to the industrial revolution.
Steam engines removed the reliance on gathering power via water wheels from streams.
So manufactures could be located close to large conurbations / (ex)ports / (im)ports (esp. coal).

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I know the HARKNESS name personally from Aberdeen.
Many folks marched (arm-in-arm-and-off-we-go) from there (after disastrous famines) to Ulster (particularly Ballymena, which had many fast flowing streams) following King James' 1605 deal with the Earl of Antrim.

Later events record folks of that name from Ayrshire occupying prominent roles in the Scottish Covenanting army of the 1640s.  Such ravaged Aberdeen ( a "High Tory" Episopalian city).
Many were later (1680s) executed in Edinburgh, following The Restoration, during "The Killing Times", having been concentrated in to captivity within the graveyard of Greyfriar's Kirk, the venue within which "The National Covenant" had been signed many years earlier.
[The Covenanters are otherwise known as (even more) Reformed Presbyterians.
 About as far, then, from High Episcopalianism (favoured by the Royals) as could be achieved within "Christianity".]

Other HARKNESSes, from Dumfrieshire, went in to Ulster, but eventually settled at Garryfine in county Limerick.
Still there today, apparently.

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Enough (6 hours) for the noo.
References, etc. 2moz.

[Perhaps I will tell you my 19-Corvids joke.  Expect it will go viral soon!]

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Re: Eliza Jane Harkness Married John Quirey 1883
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 24 November 20 05:10 GMT (UK) »
Further to reply #1, the 1877 Belfast street directory on the LennonWylie website shows the following entry for Lilliput Street:
27. Quirey, William

https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/Lcomplete1877.htm

So that now places William Quirey at 27 Lilliput Street in the 1877, 1880, and 1884 directories. Which is why the following death registration is significant, for at that exact same address, a 20 year old sailor called Robert Query died in April 1878, the informant was a Clara Query:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020514/7198800.pdf

Note the following marriage of a William Query and Clara McVicker in September 1846 as a possibility, William's father recorded as Robert Querey... although the occupation is blacksmith, I'm thinking that the skill set isn't totally at odds with fireman (stoker/boilerman):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1846/09303/5368391.pdf

Then note the following death of someone with the quite singular name of Clara Quirey, at 37 Carnalea Street in July 1888, the 'wife of William Quirey Fireman', reported age 57:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1888/06170/4763572.pdf

The 1887 Belfast street directory on the PRONI website shows the following entry for Carnalea Street:
37 Query, William, fireman

The 1890 directory for that address shows a different occupier.


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Re: Eliza Jane Harkness Married John Quirey 1883
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 24 November 20 05:41 GMT (UK) »
One of the witnesses to the 1883 marriage of John Quirey and Eliza Jane Harkness was a Jonathan Quirey, in that light, note the following marriage of Jonathan Quirey to Jane McClure in 1886, the groom's father recorded as 'William Quirey Fireman':
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10847/5960583.pdf

What looks like Jonathan's death in 1900:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05763/4628456.pdf

Edited to add: I have noticed that there are several trees on the 'Ancestry' website that are consistent with the central premise of what I've suggested, ie. that this line of Quireys are William who married Clara McVicker in 1846, there is further detail in those trees, but I haven't tried to verify it, so as usual, a big health warning applies over their accuracy, should you wish to look at them.