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Re: Help with this one please
« on: Wednesday 25 November 20 00:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
My cousin twice removed died aged only 25,  in 1908, so I was intrigued to see what killed him. Appendicitis, in hospital, but the informant of his death was an unknown person who was living at the family home.  His death cert said he was "a Valet of Burton U.D. " in Staffs. However his burial notice, only 3 days later said he was a Licenced Victualler. Could this have been a mishearing, or was it possible? The only other evidence I have for him was in 1901 when he was a footman at Armathwaite Hall, Bassenthwaite, Cumberland.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Falconer, Coltman, Hayden, Samuel, Parnell, Croton, Howard, Ash, Gooch, Mason, Brister, Pain, Thompson, Mackman, Ogden, Travers, Gwyer, Page, Hooper, Rayner, Joiner, Tancock, Saward, Reynolds, Langford, Lacey, Randall, Large, Bacon, Robinson, Jones, Mallors, Venables, Elms, Clarke, Chambers, Sefton, Pickstone, Sansum, Wood, Polick, Crane, Colls, Pickstone, Harding

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Re: Help with this one please
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 25 November 20 09:42 GMT (UK) »
Are you willing to divulge his name?  That might assist us in helping you.

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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 25 November 20 14:54 GMT (UK) »
Was he Joseph Finlay, aged 22, b. York?

RG13/4879/78/16

I did an address search.
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Re: Help with this one please
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 25 November 20 14:58 GMT (UK) »
Maybe post a snip just incase it reads different to others?

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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 25 November 20 15:52 GMT (UK) »
Are you willing to divulge his name?  That might assist us in helping you.
He was Charles Edward Howard, born Sep Q in Chesterfield, died 9 Oct  1908 in hospital in Burton upon Trent.
Note his name was reversed, but the family address was on his death cert. Also his family made a habit of swapping their names around.
I looked a bit more and wondered if the informant was  Edward Philip Ashcroft as he was still in Brook Street in 1911 C E Howard's mother, Herodius, had moved to Leafield Place, New Scarboro, Yeadon, Wharfedale, Yorkshire by 1911 as she was now widowed. She was here with her son, Walter.  I hope the snips help you to make a decision.
Falconer, Coltman, Hayden, Samuel, Parnell, Croton, Howard, Ash, Gooch, Mason, Brister, Pain, Thompson, Mackman, Ogden, Travers, Gwyer, Page, Hooper, Rayner, Joiner, Tancock, Saward, Reynolds, Langford, Lacey, Randall, Large, Bacon, Robinson, Jones, Mallors, Venables, Elms, Clarke, Chambers, Sefton, Pickstone, Sansum, Wood, Polick, Crane, Colls, Pickstone, Harding

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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 25 November 20 15:57 GMT (UK) »
Was he Joseph Finlay, aged 22, b. York?

RG13/4879/78/16

I did an address search.
No. Thanks for looking. This whole line have been a confusing mystery.
Falconer, Coltman, Hayden, Samuel, Parnell, Croton, Howard, Ash, Gooch, Mason, Brister, Pain, Thompson, Mackman, Ogden, Travers, Gwyer, Page, Hooper, Rayner, Joiner, Tancock, Saward, Reynolds, Langford, Lacey, Randall, Large, Bacon, Robinson, Jones, Mallors, Venables, Elms, Clarke, Chambers, Sefton, Pickstone, Sansum, Wood, Polick, Crane, Colls, Pickstone, Harding

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 25 November 20 16:22 GMT (UK) »
Well, your man was not at the Armathwaite Hotel on the 1901 census.

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The only other evidence I have for him was in 1901 when he was a footman at Armathwaite Hall, Bassenthwaite, Cumberland.

He might have been there before or after but not then. How did you find  him there in 1901?
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 25 November 20 19:02 GMT (UK) »
Well, your man was not at the Armathwaite Hotel on the 1901 census.

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The only other evidence I have for him was in 1901 when he was a footman at Armathwaite Hall, Bassenthwaite, Cumberland.

He might have been there before or after but not then. How did you find  him there in 1901?

Sorry, Gadget, but he was indeed at Armathwaite Hall in 1901.

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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 25 November 20 19:06 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I saw him later as a 'do'  :-[
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