Coed Helen estateTrying to find details of Coed Hele

[Quarryman]

Trying to find details of the Coed Helen estate in Caernarfon owned by Rice Thomas in the early and  mid 1800s. Was there a Coed Helen hali? Also trying to fi nd details of two small  farms called Is Helen on the estate.
Googled both names but only get entries for mdern caravan park.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

This shows Coed Helen, but scroll slightly west and you find Is Helen

https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/41aac6d0-76c8-48ff-9cb8-fb73800921a6

[groom]

https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/search/archives/d79c9739-b1ae-31a3-a3e1-2f35148690f2

Any good?

[Quarryman]

Thanks guys. Would I be able to get a copy of the map and from where?

[hanes teulu]

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4519058/4519060/5/

Is this "your" Is Helen - see column 6?

Are you familiar with Welshnewspapers on line - well worth checking out. Top of screen you will see "Tithe maps", Newspapers" and "Journals" - click on to search these sites.

[DCB]

There is a will - Hughes, Mary, Ishelen, Llanbeblig, Caernarfon, Widow

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01q32/

Mary Huges of Ishelen buried in Llanbeblig on 3rd December 1823 age 65

David

[Quarryman]

Thanks to everyone for your help. 
I was under the impression that (according to 1841 census) only the Thomas family lived at Is Helen. followed by a Jones family. Looking at old maps, however, it appears that there were several dwellings there. I haven't yet been able to replace my stolen 1851 and 1861 census CDs (have replaced 1871 and 1891) so if anyone has access to 1851 and 1861 and can spare the time in these weird times I would be grateful of a look-up to find out exactly who was at Is Helen in those decades

[Mabel Bagshawe]

When Is Helen was advertised for rent in 1844 it was described thus

To be Let, IS-HELEN.
A NEW COTTAGE, containing a sitting-room, four bedrooms (one of which might be made a dining parlour), kitchen, dairy, &c. &c., with 10 Acres of excellent Land, distant from the Town of Carnarvon about a mile, and within five minute walk of the Menai Straits. It would suit a person with a trade, or a nurseryman and seedsman. More in family than a man and his wife and two grown children would be objected Rent £36 per annum. Taxes paid by the tenant. For further particulars inquire of John Haslam, Esq., Menai Bridge, or Mr. Rowlands, Auctioneer, Carnarvon. (This advertisement will not be repeated.)

Interesting given Thomas Thomas had the address Is Helen in 1841 (and a much larger family than envisaged in the advert!)

1851
Two Is Helen households. Thomas Thomas and family, and

John Elias          51, ag lab b LLandwrog
Elizabeth Elias  50, b Llanfaglan
Catherine Elias  11, b Llanbeblig
David ELias         6, b Llanbeblig

1861
Two Is Helen households

Thomas, Ann and four unmarried daughters

John Jones       40, farmer b Denbighshire Llanfach...
Jane Jones       33, farmer's wife b Llanbeblig
Thomas Jones  5  b Llanbeblig
John Wynne Jones  1  b Llanbeblig
Elin Jones        24 general servant b Llanfagdalen

[hanes teulu]

Did you identify the homestead/fields held by Thomas Thomas on the Tithe maps - 7 units totalling 10acres 1 rood 38 perches - charge £2 17s 4d (payable to the appropriate Rector).