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Re: Can find neither birth nor death record for Henry Dickson (b. 1840-1845)
« Reply #9 on: Monday 30 November 20 20:22 GMT (UK) »
One other thing to do is see if you can find a copy of the old one-inch Ordnance Survey map from the 1950s or 1960s, sheet 61 'Falkirk and Lanark', which shows the parish boundaries (not Sheet 61 of the even older editions because the numbering was different). Or the first edition of the 1:50,000 landranger maps. Sheet 64 covers most of Lanarkshire. But don't get a Second Series Landranger sheet because the pesky so-and-sos took the parish boundaries off the Second and all subsequent editions. The first editions have a plain puce cover with no photograph so make sure not to but one with a photograph.

The sort of place you might find these old maps is in second-hand bookshops or online at www.abebooks.co.uk. See https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=22471535825&searchurl=bi%3D0%26ds%3D30%26bx%3Doff%26sortby%3D17%26tn%3Done-inch%26kn%3D61%26an%3Dordnance%2Bsurvey%26recentlyadded%3Dall&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title2

I use a highlighter to mark the parish boundaries then I can see at a glance which parish a particular place is in.
Your knowledge is a boon to a newbie like me! Once lockdown lifts I'll have to get scouring

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Re: Can find neither birth nor death record for Henry Dickson (b. 1840-1845)
« Reply #10 on: Monday 30 November 20 20:39 GMT (UK) »
What was the occupation of Henry's father, David?

Just in case there was a mother figure called Agnes (maybe a second wife?)...from 1851:

David Dixon 39 coal miner b. Ireland
Agnes Dixon 30 b.Pollerkshire, Renfrewshire
James Dixon 18 coal miner b. Nitshill, Renfrewshire
Hugh Dixon 15 coal miner b. Nitshill, Renfrewshire
Henry Dixon 13 coal miner b. Nitshill, Renfrewshire
Agnes Dixon 12 Months b. Greenend, Lanark

Address: 78 Greenend, Old Monkland

And in 1861:

David Dixon 45 coal miner b. Ireland
Agnes Dixon 39 b. Eastwood, Renfrewshire
Agnes Dixon 8 b. Bothwell, Lanarkshire
Mary Dixon 2 b. Bothwell, Lanarkshire
Patrick Markay 27 lodger Brusher In Coal Pit b. Ireland

Address: 9 Double Brick Row, Holytown, Bothwell

Monica

ADDED: There is this possible marriage/banns in 1849 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTT2-7L4
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Re: Can find neither birth nor death record for Henry Dickson (b. 1840-1845)
« Reply #11 on: Monday 30 November 20 20:42 GMT (UK) »
This looks to be little Mary's details here www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ41-CDZ Mother Agnes seems to also have the maiden name of Dickson it seems.

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Re: Can find neither birth nor death record for Henry Dickson (b. 1840-1845)
« Reply #12 on: Monday 30 November 20 20:46 GMT (UK) »

Henry and Charlotte married November 1866, and listed his age as 24, giving him a birth year of 1841/42. His parents are listed as David Dickson, an agricultural labourer, and Elizabeth Clark, both dead. His usual residence is 'Wishaw station'.


Agricultural labourer is not helpful here!

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Re: Can find neither birth nor death record for Henry Dickson (b. 1840-1845)
« Reply #13 on: Monday 30 November 20 21:15 GMT (UK) »
Marriage...

DIXON DAVID / AGNES DIXON FR5392 - 20/05/1849 - 622/190 517 Barony

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Can find neither birth nor death record for Henry Dickson (b. 1840-1845)
« Reply #14 on: Monday 30 November 20 21:18 GMT (UK) »
That would fit well Annie, don't you think? We have 12 month old Agnes in the listing for 1851.

Given the location of the 1861 entry, I would consider looking at this death entry:

David DICKSON
Mother's maiden name MARSHALL
1862
625/2 69
Holytown

No age showing on the SP index, but should show on the image (something that SP have been slowly correcting over the years).

Monica
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Re: Can find neither birth nor death record for Henry Dickson (b. 1840-1845)
« Reply #15 on: Monday 30 November 20 21:26 GMT (UK) »
Looks good Monica but I'm wondering if David 1st married in Ireland to Elizabeth?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Can find neither birth nor death record for Henry Dickson (b. 1840-1845)
« Reply #16 on: Monday 30 November 20 21:38 GMT (UK) »
Not sure really. Nothing showing in the OPRs that I can see except for the 1849 marriage or banns. Nothing for any of the children's births or christenings either pre 1855.

Cannot find the family at all in 1841 which would help us here.

Just adding Henry's family 1881 entry for background:

Henry Dickson 38 engine keeper b. Old Monkland
Charlotte Dickson 35 b. Campbeltown Argyll
Archibald Dickson 16
Jeanie Dickson 14
David Dickson 11
James Dickson 8
Hugh Dickson 6
Henry Dickson 4
Alexander Dickson 1

Address: 5 Muirhouses, Cambusnethan

Interesting to see a number of the Dickson names we saw in the earlier census entries: David, James, Hugh...and Henry of course.

Monica
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Re: Can find neither birth nor death record for Henry Dickson (b. 1840-1845)
« Reply #17 on: Monday 30 November 20 22:20 GMT (UK) »
I believe there was an influx of Irish between 1841 & 1851 if I go by my own Irish ones arriving here?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"