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Hornsbury/Ship/Reeves - Brighton 1861 census
« on: Wednesday 02 December 20 11:18 GMT (UK) »
Hoping for some help in sorting this 1861 census entry out please.

RG9: Piece 598: Folio 134: Page 4

The family is at 13 Bread Street, Brighton and consists of:

William Hornsbury   Mar   52  Fisherman   Sussex, Brighton  Head
Mary Hornsbury       Mar  54                     Sussex Brighton   Wife
Caroline Reeves      Unm  20   Ironer         Sussex, Brighton   Dau in law
John Reeves            Unm  17  Fish Hawker  Sussex, Brighton  Son in law
Sarah Hornsbury     Unm   15  Scholar        Sussex, Brighton   Daughter

Initially, I took this to infer that William Hornsbury had married a Mary Reeves who already had 2 children Caroline and John and then he and Mary had a daughter Sarah so expected the marriage to be 1843-1847. However I can't find any such marriage.

I think this William Hornsbury (from experience there are also these variations: Hornsberry, Hollingsbury/berry, Horn(s)by, Hollonbury) might be my William Winterman Hollansbury bp.3 Dec 1809 St. Nicholas, Brighton.

Ancestry are also offering me the hint that Mary Hornsbury was formerly Mary Ship. There is a baptism of a Mary Johnson Ship, illeg dau of Amy Ship at St. Nicholas, Brighton on 18 Dec 1812, although that would mean she should be younger than William rather than older.

However, there doesn't seem to be a marriage of a Ship to a Reeves to account for the two children and I can't find their registrations at the gro site either, nor any appropriate baptisms.

Neither can I find any info on Sarah Hornsbury, although that is possibly due to another name variation that I haven't come across yet.

All these people seem to be mysteries and if I could just sort out who they are I could determine if they fit into my family or not hopefully.

Any assistance to do this much appreciated.

Thanks, Pheno



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Re: Hornsbury/Ship/Reeves - Brighton 1861 census
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 02 December 20 11:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Possible marriage?
June 1852 Brighton 2b 287
Hollingbery, William       
Reeves, Mary
+ 2 others

Sarah's marriage in 1869, father William Hornsbury, Fisherman
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6F9S-TZS

John's marriage in 1867? Father William Reeves, Fisherman
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DWG3-YWZ

A widowed Mary Reeves with children including Caroline and John in Brighton in 1851 :-\
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGJJ-GWD

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Re: Hornsbury/Ship/Reeves - Brighton 1861 census
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 02 December 20 11:57 GMT (UK) »
1871, Brighton
Piece 1084 folio 67 page 3
William Hollingbury Head 62 Fisherman, born Sussex Brighton
Mary Hollingbury Wife 67 Nurse Brighton
Mary Reeves Grnd Daur 12 Brighton
William Smith Grnd Son 3 India
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFD4-LF6

Same house, John Reeves, 36, Fish Hawker, and family

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Re: Hornsbury/Ship/Reeves - Brighton 1861 census
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 02 December 20 12:11 GMT (UK) »
Oh jonw65 you always come to the rescue!

Think I just got overwhelmed with looking and didn't spot any of those entries. Also fell into the classic trap of not looking for marriage after birth of child Sarah.  I've been doing this long enough by now that I should have avoided that.

However, what you have found all fits together nicely, now I just need to ascertain if Mary ? who had children Caroline and John with William Reeves, was, in fact Mary Ship. I will carry on looking although her age doesn't really fit with the Mary Ship baptism in 1812 unless she wasn't an infant.

Thanks very much,  Pheno
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Re: Hornsbury/Ship/Reeves - Brighton 1861 census
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 02 December 20 12:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Perhaps Mary Ship might be William's first wife?
Marriage 9 May 1831, Brighton
William Hollingsbury
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Mary Ship
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DR6Q-TTT

Baptism of a son William, 30 March 1834, Brighton
Father William a Fisherman
BT
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XCQ7-D14

Marriage of that William? 3 Dec 1857, Brighton
William Hollingsbury, 23, Mariner, father William Hollingsbury, Fisherman
+
Lydia Pitcher, 21
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DR8J-W6

I am not finding Sarah!
John

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Re: Hornsbury/Ship/Reeves - Brighton 1861 census
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 02 December 20 12:28 GMT (UK) »
Well that's a scenario I hadn't envisaged.

It's so difficult tracking these people because of all the name variations.  Some of them are too obscure to even be picked up by the name algorithms within the search sites.

Am sure your conjectures are correct so will be able to tidy up this branch shortly.

Thanks, Pheno
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Re: Hornsbury/Ship/Reeves - Brighton 1861 census
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 02 December 20 12:36 GMT (UK) »
Might be, hopefully!
I can see there is a William Hollingsbery, b. 1810, Sussex, possibly Brighton, in the Merchant Seamen database on a pay site.
Could that be him?
Indexed here as well
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC3S-W6R
Good luck
John

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Re: Hornsbury/Ship/Reeves - Brighton 1861 census
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 02 December 20 12:58 GMT (UK) »
Have you tried the GRO for Caroline Reeves Birth Reg for Mothers maiden name?

I must say I cant match it up.

Bapt;
Caroline REVES
Birth Date: 3 Aug 1840
Baptism Date: 16 Jun 1844 St. Nicholas, Brighton to WILLIAM/MARY Reves

Bapt same day under Reves;
JOHN no birth date given
EMMA birth 01 Jan 1835
JAMES birth 13 Oct 1837

This appears to be them in 1841;

William Reeves   40 Labourer
Mary Reeves   40
Henry Reeves   15
William Reeves   10
Mary Reeves   8
Emma Reeves   6
James Reeves   4
Caroline Reeves   1




   


 
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Re: Hornsbury/Ship/Reeves - Brighton 1861 census
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 02 December 20 13:06 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Trish.  Yes have looked at gro but couldn't actually find any of the registrations but will try again.

Don't know where my research abilities were hiding with this family as it all seems to be in plain sight so thank you to you and Jon for finding the info and bringing it to my attention.

Pheno
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