Further Help please! This blooming surname..

[airsle]

This one part of my family tree seems to be the one I keep coming back to because it keeps stumping me :/

You guys helped me so much and I have identified my grandmother as Caroline Annie Kenneally (Born 1891), her mother Martha Wall (Born between 1853-1855) and father Thomas Kenealy (Born Circa 1853 in London) and his father Patrick Kenelly (Born between 1815 and 1835 roughly, unsure where).

Following this though I've been tearing my hair out trying to progress any further, those three generations alone spelled their name in different ways and I'm not sure how I can narrow down :/ I don't know whether I should be looking towards Irish records too..

Please see my previous thread (a good while ago) on this same ancestry..

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=827652.msg6963918#msg6963918

I would so so appreciate any help and support you guys can give on this.

I'm trying to track this part of the family specifically as it's important to my mum (and I'm hoping to eventually track it to Ireland)...

Does anyone have any ideas? I just don't want to go down the wrong rabbit hole and at this point I feel like I'd be blindly pointing in a random direction which I don't want to do...

Thank you!

[Pennines]

Hi Airsie -- have you found Patrick Kenelly (or variant) on an English census? If you have the birth certificate of Thomas you will have his mother's name and should therefore be able to find a marriage between Patrick and his wife - either in England or Ireland.

From the GRO Index you will obtain her maiden name at least.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

You will need to register, if you haven't done so previously - but to search is free.

(Sorry if you have covered this in your previous thread - I haven't checked it)

[airsle]

Hi Airsie -- have you found Patrick Kenelly (or variant) on an English census? If you have the birth certificate of Thomas you will have his mother's name and should therefore be able to find a marriage between Patrick and his wife - either in England or Ireland.

From the GRO Index you will obtain her maiden name at least.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

You will need to register, if you haven't done so previously - but to search is free.

(Sorry if you have covered this in your previous thread - I haven't checked it)

It's coming back as no matches on GRO for his birth :/ I have him on the 1891 census with his wife Martha.. So confused


Edit: Never mind, had accidentally put London in for his mother's surnamee d'oh. Looking now

[cath151]

HI
There is an English R C birth record
St Patricks church, Soho Square, Westminster
In latin but..I think..
Thomas Kenealey born 29th Jan 1856, baptized 6th July
Father Patritii Kenealey
Mother Honara Field
Godparents Johannes Kenealey and Julia Conway ( I think, a little hard to read.)

This would tie in with a poss marriage in 1851 Strand  Patrick Keneley, same page Honora Field

Would need to investigate a little further to see if it might be your Thomas.

Cathy

[Pennines]

Cathy -- that looks a really promising find.

I've been trying to find the birth of Thomas on the GRO Index - but cannot put in a registration district - and have to search phonetically.

It wasn't a good idea of mine!

[airsle]

From GRO only one that vaguely sounds like Keneally (Or however they blooming spell it) seems to be these two:

KENNERLEY, THOMAS       WHALLEY 
GRO Reference: 1853  J Quarter in CONGLETON  Volume 08A  Page 288
   KENNERLEY, THOMAS  JOHN     JONES 
GRO Reference: 1853  M Quarter in GREAT BOUGHTON  Volume 08A  Page 318

When I + or - 1 year these ones which do phonetically sound kind of similar come up...

KANEALY, THOMAS       KENNEDY 
GRO Reference: 1854  M Quarter in WIGAN  Volume 08C  Page 22
   KINNERLEY, THOMAS       BROWN 
GRO Reference: 1852  M Quarter in SHARDLOW  Volume 07B  Page 319

[airsle]

HI
There is an English R C birth record
St Patricks church, Soho Square, Westminster
In latin but..I think..
Thomas Kenealey born 29th Jan 1856, baptized 6th July
Father Patritii Kenealey
Mother Honara Field
Godparents Johannes Kenealey and Julia Conway ( I think, a little hard to read.)

This would tie in with a poss marriage in 1851 Strand  Patrick Keneley, same page Honora Field

Would need to investigate a little further to see if it might be your Thomas.

Cathy

Ooh thank you Cathy, hmm - later than on the 1891 census however definitely a possibility (although blooming heck they even struggled to spell Patrick?! haha).

Do you think that one is most likely? I think just with all the spelling variations of Keneally it's a pain to figure out which are the right people..

[airsle]

With GRO I was putting Thomas' birth day as 1852-1853 (as was on the census) but if that isn't an accurate birth year then.. ahh! I don't know how you guys manage this but appreciate your help so much!

[Pennines]

Airsle --- you did seem to think that Thomas was born in the London Area -- so those ones found on the GRO index aren't London Registration Districts unfortunately.

In addition IF the background is Irish - in my own Irish ancestors -- they never knew their age!!

(I am allowed to say that as I had an Irish grandmother and an Irish husband!!)