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Mary Ann Hope....fresh eyes needed!
« on: Saturday 05 December 20 18:31 GMT (UK) »
Mary Ann Hope was born on 6th May 1830 at Frittenden Kent. She was still alive in 1851  working as a domestic servant in the household of Alleyne Barker the Reverend of Wouldham, Kent. She was also mentioned in her mothers' Will which was signed 6/4/1850 and proved 21/5/1851. After that I have had no luck in tracing her. I have found half a dozen possible marriages but the possible couples do not feature in subsequent census records, or children born do not have a mother's maiden name of Hope. The grooms details are as follows:-
Joseph Forrest m. Maidstone J1853
James Barker m. Maidstone S1853
Henry Green m. Tunbridge s1860
Philip Deadman m. Sevenoaks D1865
James Wickham m. Sevenoaks D1865
And Jeremiah Enright m. Thanet (Wouldham) 6/1/1850

I have also found a death registration in Thanet 15/9/1861 where the age of the deceased matched my Mary Ann Hope, however, when checking the census records this lady seems to have been born in Cumberland. I don't subscribe to Anc....try, or FindMyPast, so am unable to look at the original records.

Any help would be greatly appreciated as always.

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PtE
Bellingham Kent
Hope Kent
Love Kent
Simmons Kent
Bridgland Kent
Beslee Kent
Patterson Kent
Knott Kent

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Re: Mary Ann Hope....fresh eyes needed!
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 05 December 20 18:44 GMT (UK) »
There's a Mary Ann Green, 30, born Frittenden, in Hougham, Kent, in 1861
Husband Henry a police constable
Son, unnamed, age 1 week
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7RN-CDC

Could the son have been named Osgar? :-\
GREEN, OSGAR  TOMBLIN     
Mother's Maiden Surname: HOPE 
GRO Reference: 1861  J Quarter in DOVER  Volume 02A  Page 729

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Re: Mary Ann Hope....fresh eyes needed!
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 05 December 20 18:48 GMT (UK) »
Yes he could, but in Chartham in 1871 they seem to be Tomblin
Mary Ann 40, born Frittenden.
piece 964 folio 22 page 6
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF8P-HJJ

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Re: Mary Ann Hope....fresh eyes needed!
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 05 December 20 18:52 GMT (UK) »
The birth reg of the 7 year old daughter Rosa in 1871 (born Cheriton)
GREEN, ROSA  TOMBLIN     
Mother's Maiden Surname: HOPE 
GRO Reference: 1863  S Quarter in ELHAM  Volume 02A  Page 752


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Re: Mary Ann Hope....fresh eyes needed!
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 05 December 20 18:54 GMT (UK) »
Maybe?
Sep 1860 Tunbridge 2a 621
Henry Green + Mary Ann Hope   

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Re: Mary Ann Hope....fresh eyes needed!
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 05 December 20 21:55 GMT (UK) »
Mary Ann Tomblin of 23 Norwood Street Ashford Kent dies 19 Jun 1909 administration to husband Henry Tomblin police pensioner. 

So what happened to the surname Green  :-\
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Re: Mary Ann Hope....fresh eyes needed!
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 05 December 20 23:04 GMT (UK) »
There's a Mary Ann Green, 30, born Frittenden, in Hougham, Kent, in 1861
Husband Henry a police constable
Son, unnamed, age 1 week
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7RN-CDC

Could the son have been named Osgar? :-\
GREEN, OSGAR  TOMBLIN     
Mother's Maiden Surname: HOPE 
GRO Reference: 1861  J Quarter in DOVER  Volume 02A  Page 729

Yes he could, but in Chartham in 1871 they seem to be Tomblin
Mary Ann 40, born Frittenden.
piece 964 folio 22 page 6
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF8P-HJJ
Maybe?
Sep 1860 Tunbridge 2a 621
Henry Green + Mary Ann Hope   

Son Oscar marriage

Oscar Tomblin Age:   33 , 56 Myrdle St
Marriage 26 Dec 1894 St Augustine, Stepney, Tower Hamlets
Father:   Henry Tomblin, Police Officer
Spouse:   Anni Monk

Oscar Tomblin
Oct-Nov-Dec 1895
Age at Death:   34
Greenwich London Volume:   1d Page:   598

NEWTON grandchildren with Henry & Mary 1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9FZ-7H6

Rosa married John Newton

Rosa Tomblin
Registration Year:   1884
Registration Quarter:   Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District:   Maidstone

Mary Ann Tomblin
Marital status:   Married
Burial 23 Jun 1909 Ashford, Kent
Spouse:   Henry Tomblin

Is this Henry Tomblin 1841/51 census in Rutland?
1841 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M77Y-L1C
1851 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGYJ-9HP
EDIT to add a different Henry he’s on 1861/71 married to Ellen, birth North Luffenham, Rutlandshire
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Re: Mary Ann Hope....fresh eyes needed!
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 06 December 20 08:49 GMT (UK) »
 :) jonw65, Milliepede and Ladyhawk,

Thank you for your marvellous sleuthing. I have pondered on Mary Ann for ages and came up with nothing much. So you have filled that gap and now I can order the marriage and death certificates. I think I probably assumed that Henry was older than Mary Ann and that may have affected my searches, but I should have known better as her sister married a man ten years younger than her  :o
Thank you all and have a lovely day!

PtE
Bellingham Kent
Hope Kent
Love Kent
Simmons Kent
Bridgland Kent
Beslee Kent
Patterson Kent
Knott Kent

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Re: Mary Ann Hope....fresh eyes needed!
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 06 December 20 09:22 GMT (UK) »

Thank you for your marvellous sleuthing. I have pondered on Mary Ann for ages and came up with nothing much.

So you have filled that gap and now I can order the marriage and death certificates.


Well found jonw65

Have had a look for Henry GREEN on 1851 & 1841 but not had much luck - there is this Henry on 1851 but he’s a servant

Henry Green age 17
Relation:   Servant
Where born:   Exton, Rutland
Registration District:   Oakham Piece:   2092 Folio:   154 Page Number:   24

Please come back and let us know when you have the m/c - fingers crossed it’s the correct Mary Ann
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