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Re: Ireland Help with Eggins family
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 10 December 20 02:01 GMT (UK) »

BDM QLD death
1889/B/21569  FRANCE Jane Ann  died 4 Jan 1889
parents Jane Ann EGGINS / Patrick MURPHY

1896/C/3427  PEEL Dorothy Gladys died 26 Nov 1896
parents Henry Josiah PEEL / Harriet Louisa DAY



buried same plot Toowong Cemetery         https://graves.brisbane.qld.gov.au/
PEEL   Dorothy Gladys      age   0   buried 27 Dec 1896
FRANCE Jane Anne                             buried 5  Jan 1889

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Re: Ireland Help with Eggins family
« Reply #19 on: Friday 11 December 20 10:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi wivenhoe,

Thank you for replying.  Sorry for the delay in coming back. I had appointments yesterday and I have been looking for answers to some of your questions.

Ann married Patrick Murphy 1846 Yes.
Partick died 1861  Yes. in England
children for Ann and Patrick Murphy 

*   Alice Mary Murphy 1847-1884
* Edward Murphy  1850- ?
* Arthur William Murphy 1851 - ?
* Joseph George Eggins Murphy 1858 - 1863
*  Jane Ann Murphy   ?  -?


Ann Peel born Eggins formerly Murphy, died  in Queensland, Stradbroke Island, Dunwich Benevolent Asylum  1902.    {i have a copy of their record for her admission and death}
Ann is buried in the Asylum Cemetery now Stradbroke Cemetery.

Immigration  Ann Peel immigration 1871, which is partiall convfirmed on the Asylum documents.

I believe that Richard also immigrated as did the two Peel sons.  I have not got proper documents for those but there are trips back and forth from Brisbane to Sydney by Henry Josiah Peel and he lived at various places in Brisbane - in particular Eagle Junction which is also noted on the Asylum information.

I think Richard Peel was in Sydney.  There is one trip by Mrs A Peel to Sydney as well,

I had not worked on the descendants of Henry peel but this is all great information.  Thank you for finding this and posting.


Ann was previously living with her son Henry,  who you have found information for on his family and his death.  I shall try to find his 1884 emigration papers.  He may have not been an assisted immigrant.
Thank you so much for helping - it is much appreciated.

Essnell

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Re: Ireland Help with Eggins family
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 12 December 20 07:17 GMT (UK) »


Can you please list all the information on the death certificate for Ann PEEL, died 1902.


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Re: Ireland Help with Eggins family
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 12 December 20 09:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi Wivenhoe.   

OK . I have purchased the photocopy of the death registration. What I previously did find was the Asylum Record which has all that is on the Death Certificate plus a few other things.
Can I PM this to you please? 

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Re: Ireland Help with Eggins family
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 12 December 20 10:12 GMT (UK) »


The benefit of using a forum for your research is that numerous people have access to the information that you are working with.

Listing the information on the death certificate, here, would be better.

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Re: Ireland Help with Eggins family
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 12 December 20 10:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi wivenhoe,

Ok : I just was not sure about it but it is all in the thread in anycase ; 

This is what it says:
Col 1. 
  Died on 25th December 1902 at Dunwich Benevolent Asylum.
col2. 
   Ann Peel  housewife
Col 3.
Female 71 yrs.
Col 4.
(1) Senile decay
      syncope
(2)  (Duration of last illness)   ...Unknown

(3)   Dr. Stockwell

(4)   25th December 19-02

Col 5.
    Joseph Eggins
         Plumber

      Ann

Col 6.

Certified in writing
 by
     James Stockwell
Medical Superintendant
Benevolent Asylum,
       Dunwich
Col 7.
Has the signature of the Registrar and the date
  2nd January 1903
 Moreton East.

Col 8
Buried
26th December 1902
Cemetery Dunwich
Certified by John Edmonston (with his mark)

Col 9.   place of birth and time in Australia.
        Devonshire , England.
  40 years in Queensland

Col 10.  marriage, to whom and how long.
       (1)   London, Middlesex, England
       (2)   16 years
       (3)   Richard Peel
Col 11  if married Living issue and deceased Issue
     Living
 Robert Sidney  40 yrs
       Henry       25yrs
         Edward

    Dead 
     7 females.
       
In the right hand margin past the last column is written age unknown  and there are several date stamps the most recent being 2003.

There is conflicting statements on this document.
Ann's father Joseph Eggins was born in Devonshire, his wife and his children were all born in Ireland as heywood found and as family had thought.
Ann was actually married twice the first when she was 16yrs old. Her husband died 15 years later. She had had several children in those years.  She married Richard Peel, the very next year. They had only two sons.  and according to the Asylum records she was living with him.

He is on the Queensland Electoral Roll for that time at the exact address given on the Asylum records.
Also it is impossible for her to have been in Australia for 40 yrs. It just does not add up.

Hope the above is what you were hoping to see and thanks for helping.
Essnell

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Re: Ireland Help with Eggins family
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 12 December 20 11:37 GMT (UK) »

*  Jane Ann Murphy   ?  -?


MURPHY, JANE  ANNE
Mother's maiden surname: EGGINS     
GRO Reference: 1856  M Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 296


The Joseph Eggins I am looking for married Ann Eggins and I believe that this was in Ireland. The 1841 census has them born in Ireland.   


In 1841 Joseph Snr and Jnr are not born in the county (Middlesex), only  Ann Snr and the two daughters are born in Ireland.  Joseph Jnr later claims to be born in Ireland though the 'I' is deliberately deleted for him in 1841 and this information would most likely have been given by his father.  In later census records the girls claim to be born in Devon.

You may have to consider that this is a mixed family and the children are not Joseph and Ann's as a couple, and this may be why they are so confused about where they were born.

Just some years from census records to have them all together.

Joseph c1821
Jane Ann c1825  (which means she was not of the stated full age when she married in 1843)
Mary c1826
Ann c1829

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Re: Ireland Help with Eggins family
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 12 December 20 12:13 GMT (UK) »
1851 shows these birth places:
Joseph Eggins b Brandwood, Devon
Ann Eggins b ‘Burricane’ Ireland
Mary Eggins b Mount Rath, Ireland
Jane Bacon b Ashborn, Ireland

I can’t see Brandwood, Devon
I wonder if ‘Burricane’ is Borrisokane, Tipperary
Mountrath - County Laois (formerly Queens County)
Ashbourne - County Meath


https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers/ParishRegisters/PARISHREGISTERS.pdf

Ashbourne see Ratoath

Ratoath - Notes: 3 volumes of parish registers, comprising baptisms 1686-1877, marriages 1700-1821 and burials 1700-1874, were destroyed in the fire in the Public Record Office of Ireland in 1922

Mountrath see Clonenagh

Clonenagh - Original records held by the Representative Church Body Library, Churchtown, Dublin 14

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Re: Ireland Help with Eggins family
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 12 December 20 12:38 GMT (UK) »
With regard to Joseph snr, his birthplace is transcribed on Ancestry as Bradwood. (I wrote ‘Brandwood’ earlier.)

The name Eggins is found around Broadwoodwidger in some records and  also Werrington which is not far away.

This one is pretty close.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLRC-PKMM

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