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Re: What was Elizabeth's maiden name?
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 13 December 20 17:59 GMT (UK) »
I've looked in the British Newspapers collection for an obit taht might give details of the family but it's not too good with Scottish newspapers.
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Re: What was Elizabeth's maiden name?
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 13 December 20 18:01 GMT (UK) »
I don't think so.  I'm new to this tree and as far as I can tell, Adam is the only name that I've seen more than once.  Adam's grandfather was also Adam and Helen's son has Adam as a middle name.  I can't see any Adam's listed.

My Edinburgh geography isn't great either.  I tried looking for Adam MacDonald's in the voter lists for the 1940s and 50s when any children would be adults but my geography is letting me down.

Helen came to England as a teenager and the person I'm doing the tree for can't tell me anything except Helen's name and date and place of birth.
East London:
Happe/Hoppe (St. Georges in the East)
Stanley (middle name Thurston)
Rondeau (Spitalfields and Salford)
Jones (Bishopsgate - Thomas, Ostrich Feather Manufacturer)
Wood (London City)
McDermott (Londonderry and Stepney)
Upcraft (Bethnal Green)
Chidgey (Shoredtich)
Grim (Bethnal Green)
Row (Mast makers in Wapping)
Spurden (Stepney and Pancras)
Glibbery (Bishopsgate)

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Re: What was Elizabeth's maiden name?
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 13 December 20 18:30 GMT (UK) »
There might be something in the 1921. I'm not sure when it will come out in Scotland though. Also, it might be worth finding out who informed on Adam's death cert.
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Re: What was Elizabeth's maiden name?
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 13 December 20 18:35 GMT (UK) »
Adam died in 1942 having married again in the meantime.  Helen was the informant.  He was still living at Meadowbank Terrace.  His second wife had also died, I'm not sure when but she was 15 years younger than him so there might have been children.

I can see me using a lot of credits on this one. ;D
East London:
Happe/Hoppe (St. Georges in the East)
Stanley (middle name Thurston)
Rondeau (Spitalfields and Salford)
Jones (Bishopsgate - Thomas, Ostrich Feather Manufacturer)
Wood (London City)
McDermott (Londonderry and Stepney)
Upcraft (Bethnal Green)
Chidgey (Shoredtich)
Grim (Bethnal Green)
Row (Mast makers in Wapping)
Spurden (Stepney and Pancras)
Glibbery (Bishopsgate)


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Re: What was Elizabeth's maiden name?
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 13 December 20 18:37 GMT (UK) »
There are two  deaths with MMN Turnbull and b 1919 +/- 1

George Hollowell McDonald , 71, 1991, George Square
Matthew Turnbull McDonald, 90, 2008, Alexandria (  Dunbarton)

Add - neither born Midlothian
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Re: What was Elizabeth's maiden name?
« Reply #23 on: Monday 14 December 20 11:00 GMT (UK) »


Thanks for all the great assistance so far.

What I now know for certain.

Adam MacDonald married Elizabeth Glendinning in Edinburgh in 1903.  IN 1912 they separated and in 1918 they divorced.

A few weeks later, he married Lilias Turnbull in Edinburgh. In 1921 they had a daughter Helen.
In 1921 Lilias died.

In 1922 Adam married (Evelyn) Doris Murton.  In 1934 Doris died.

In 1942 Adam died.

Short of buying a look at every birth in the pertinent years, what's the best ay to find any other births of Adam MacDonald and his wives?

All suggestions gratefully received.
East London:
Happe/Hoppe (St. Georges in the East)
Stanley (middle name Thurston)
Rondeau (Spitalfields and Salford)
Jones (Bishopsgate - Thomas, Ostrich Feather Manufacturer)
Wood (London City)
McDermott (Londonderry and Stepney)
Upcraft (Bethnal Green)
Chidgey (Shoredtich)
Grim (Bethnal Green)
Row (Mast makers in Wapping)
Spurden (Stepney and Pancras)
Glibbery (Bishopsgate)

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Re: What was Elizabeth's maiden name?
« Reply #24 on: Monday 14 December 20 11:14 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure what records are available for Scottish divorces but you could see if there are any and any maintenance orders. Possibly here

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/catalogues-and-indexes

Others may have better info on divorce info in Scotland.

Have you looked at the 1911 for them.

Who was the informant on Adam's death cert and was there a will?

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Re: What was Elizabeth's maiden name?
« Reply #26 on: Monday 14 December 20 11:22 GMT (UK) »
I found the reporting of the divorce in the newspaper archive on Find My Past.  There was also an addition information note on the marriage on Scotland's People.

I think I found Adam and Elizabeth in 1911.  He's listed as a Dancing Teacher but that was Elizabeth's father's occupation so I suppose it's possible that he was doing it.  The address is Regent Street Edinburgh.  It's not the address given on the divorce papers though so it might not be them.

The informant on Adam's death certificate was Helen.  How would I find a will if there was one?
East London:
Happe/Hoppe (St. Georges in the East)
Stanley (middle name Thurston)
Rondeau (Spitalfields and Salford)
Jones (Bishopsgate - Thomas, Ostrich Feather Manufacturer)
Wood (London City)
McDermott (Londonderry and Stepney)
Upcraft (Bethnal Green)
Chidgey (Shoredtich)
Grim (Bethnal Green)
Row (Mast makers in Wapping)
Spurden (Stepney and Pancras)
Glibbery (Bishopsgate)