Charteris, Hislop/Hyslop, Gracie, Adamson & Cow

[Forfarian]

Since the daughter Agnes Kerr was born about 1841 in Dumfries, here is another 1841 census possibility - in Dumfries.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5902e737e9379091b1d16de1/isobel-hyslop-1841-dumfriesshire-langholm-1824-?locale=en

Is she with her grandmother? Named baby after Grandmother?

Quite possible - good find.

[Neale1961]

Hi Allana
Just reviewing all of this –  I suspect you will need to purchase some documents to move forward however.
Isabella (Hyslop) CHARTERIS – parents John HISLOP and Jane CAIRNS are INCORRECT.

It would be useful to know the exact information written on her Queensland death certificate (even though parents names seem somewhat confused) and on the Queensland birth records for her children. For example what is the profession given for her father on the death certificate?

Isabella Marriage
CHARTERS   ALEXANDER   ISABELLA HISLOP/FR1519 (FR1519)   11/05/1852   789/    60 301   Hawick

1841 census: unknown – various possibilities

1851 census: High Street Hawick, ROX
Isabella HISLOP Head; widow; age 29; Pauper; born Crossmichael
Agnes KERR daughter; age 7, born Dumfries
Robert Kerr son; age 2, born Hawick
Plus 2 lodgers
Comments: question whether she was a widow –  the 1852 marriage record may say more about this.
No birth records for the 2 Kerr children have been found – maybe illegitimate
Isabella’s subsequent elastic age is understandable since her husband was almost 10 years younger.

Possible Isabella Birth
HYSLOP   ISABELLA   JAMES HYSLOP/ISABELLA STOTT FR145 (FR145)   F   10/02/1822   863/    20 10   Crossmichael

The following is based on the assumption that the above birth is correct for our Isabella.

Parents James HYSLOP and Isabella STOTT.
Marriage
HYSLOP   JAMES   ISABEL STOTT/FR1322 (FR1322)   27/01/1805   821/    50 169   Dumfries
The Hyslop family all born Crossmichael KKD:
Nicholas 1805, Margaret 1807, Benjamin 1809, Thomas 1811, Agnes 1813, Anne 1815, James 1817, Isabella 1822.
 
1841 Census Crossmichael village, KKD
James HYSLOP age 51 Blacksmith
Isabella HYSLOP age 55
Nicholas HYSLOP age 30

1851 Census Crossmichael village, KKD
James HYSLOP – Blacksmith; married; age 63; born Caerlaverock DMs
Isabella HYSLOP – wife; married; age 64; born Dumfries DMs
Nicholas HYSLOP – daughter unmarried; age 40 born Dumfries DMs

Will / testament of father James HYSLOP
Hyslop   James   27/12/1864   Blacksmith of Crossmichael Village, then Woodpark      Kirkcudbright Sheriff Court    SC16/41/25
This document may provide information to confirm a connection to Isabella (Hyslop) CHARTERIS in Australia.
I am not sure where “Woodpark” is – to help find his death certificate.

Death of mother Isabella (Stott) HYSLOP in 1855
HYSLOP   ISABELLA   75   
1855   863/ 9   Crossmichael
Mother's Maiden Name AUGHTERSON   

This death certificate should provide additional information about her family.
Note: There is a marriage between Benjamin STOTT and Margaret OUGHTERSON in 1775 Dumfries, with 2 children Isabel 1776 & Agnes 1784

[Forfarian]

1861 Census: Woodpark, Kirkpatrick Durham
Thomas Hyslop/head/wid/49/landed proprietor/Crossmichael
James Hyslop/son/5/Kirkpatrick Durham
Margaret Hyslop/daughter/3/Kirkpatrick Durham
James Hyslop/father/wid/81/retired blacksmith and farmer/Caerlaverock
5 servants

Deaths Kirkpatrick Durham 1864/30 James Hyslop, mother's maiden surname Little.

Woodpark is a short distance south-east of the kirkton of Kirkpatrick Durham. See
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.00922&lon=-3.89238&layers=5&b=1

and it is still there https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NX7969

[Neale1961]

Thank you Forfarian. Excellent. I had found it on the map near KPD, but was not fully confident without access to details on 1861 census.
Let’s hope this turns out to be the correct family for the Australian Isabella.

[MonicaL]

I wonder whether the passenger list was compiled by someone who was more familiar with place names in Ireland than in Scotland, and who thought that Galloway must be a misspelling of Galway?

Well I had not thought of that; but would someone in 1854 say “Galloway” as place of birth.
Possibly.

EDIT- ADDED: The longer I think about it, the more that explanation of "Galloway" misheard as "Galway" makes sense.

The area relating to Galloway defined, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galloway

Monica

[Neale1961]

Hi Allana
I have found AGNES CHARTERIS / KERR

Marriage #1
Agnes KERR to William SUTTON 09/11/1860 Brisbane
Queensland birth registrations to Father William SUTTON and mother Agnes KERR
•   Isabella SUTTON 27/02/1861; died 04/12/1862
•   William Hislop SUTTON  02/11/1866

Marriage #2
Agnes SUTTON to William Harvey BARNETT 03/09/1868  Queensland

Grave for Agnes in Bourke, New South Wales - died 14th May 1900
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170014766/agnes-barnett

Her death is registered twice with both names Sutton and Barnett
Death: BARNETT AGNES    4840/1900 BOURKE
Parents: ROBERT, ISABELLA

Death:  SUTTON AGNES      4840/1900 BOURKE
Parents: ROBERT, ISABELLA

Her death certificate should give you her children’s names but there are a quite a few possible offspring born in Bourke.

[Neale1961]

Allana, It looks like you have some Barnett relatives in NSW. Agnes Kerr had 8 children to William Harvey Barnett.

Quite a lot of information about William Harvey Barnett in the papers:

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/75277739?searchTerm=%22harvey%20Barnett%22

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/157942405?searchTerm=%22harvey%20Barnett%22

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/157643732?searchTerm=%22harvey%20Barnett%22

ADDED next day:
Here is a website you might find interesting/ useful that gives details of the Barnett Family.
https://www.myheritage.com/site-family-tree-134229661/australian-barnetts

[Forfarian]

Her death is registered twice with both names Sutton and Barnett
Death: BARNETT AGNES    4840/1900 BOURKE
Parents: ROBERT, ISABELLA

Death:  SUTTON AGNES      4840/1900 BOURKE
Parents: ROBERT, ISABELLA

Both have the same reference so it must be registered once and indexed twice.

[Allana89]

There are a few problems ......
I have just had look at the shipping record for Alexander Charteris (Charters) and family arriving August,  Moreton Bay in 1854 on board Genghis Khan.
•   Alex Charters age 23 born Roxburghshire, joiner
•   Isabella Charters age 28 born Galway, wife
•   Agnes age 10 born Dumfries, daughter
•   Robert age 5 born Roxburghshire, son
 I think it is necessary to review the birth information that you have for Isabella.

Also 1851 census for Isabella (with 2 Kerr children), has different information.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59046f54e9379091b138e498/isabella-hislop-1851-roxburghshire-hawick-1822-?locale=en

You say that Isabella died in 1883. Do you have her death certificate - is this the registration?
Isabella Hyslop Charteris
Event date: 20/12/1883
Event type: Death registration
Registration details: 1883/C/2786
Mother: Isabella Hyslop
Father/parent: James Charteris

Names of parents??? Something obviously wrong there.

https://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=15668009

So there is conflicting information, but at the moment, I would say it seems unlikely that your Isabella is the daughter of John Hislop and Jane Cairns.