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Re: James GORRELL b.1797 in or near Enniskillen Ireland.
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 22 December 20 20:42 GMT (UK) »
Dear Elwyn,
This is GOOD news about Methodists as GORRELLS in Australia were METHODIST ministers and lay preachers...
We may be on the right track here,
Thank you for your help.

There are many clues as yet to follow with this family,

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Re: James GORRELL b.1797 in or near Enniskillen Ireland.
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 22 December 20 21:14 GMT (UK) »
Methodism took a lot longer to become established in Ireland as a separate denomination than in England. In Ireland there was considerable resistance to separating from the Church of Ireland. It was around 1818 before Methodists started to conduct their own baptisms. However because of continuing loyalty and other factors, many continued to use the Church of Ireland for baptisms for years after this and it was 1871 before all Methodists routinely performed their own baptisms.

For Methodist marriages, the earliest that I am aware of, date from 1835 (Belfast Donegall Square, the first Methodist church in Ireland). However in the mid 1800s there were only a few Methodist Ministers (Methodism relied heavily on lay preachers). So that shortage led to the continuing practice of marrying in the Church of Ireland. In addition, in the early years, many Methodist Meeting Houses were not licensed for marriages so that too contributed to couples marrying in the Church of Ireland.

So to summarise, you are unlikely to find many Methodist baptisms before 1820. Few marriages before the 1840s and only a handful for many years after that. If there are no Methodist records in the location you are researching, search Church of Ireland records instead, as that’s the most likely place to find the relevant event.

In the case of Magheracross, there are 2 Methodist Meeting Houses. Ballinamallard has baptism records from 1829 and marriages from 1882. Knockmanoul has baptisms from 1879 though there is a note in the PRONI (public record office) guide to say there may be some earlier ones in circuit book ref MIC1E/15. In other words, a travelling Minister kept his own records rather than the information being recorded in a book in individual Meeting Houses.  Knockmanoul has no marriages at all (the inference being they married in the Church of Ireland).

In a nutshell, I would say that your Gorrell ancestors were highly likely to have been Church of Ireland in the 1700s and at least until 1820. (And most of them still seem to have been Church of Ireland in 1901).

Not many Methodist Meeting Houses have graveyards and so Methodists may be buried in public or Church of Ireland graveyards (which are open to all denominations).


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Re: James GORRELL b.1797 in or near Enniskillen Ireland.
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 22 December 20 23:58 GMT (UK) »

Would anyone how to find birth date of James Gorrell please?
(Correct Date that is )
It may have been 1797
Parents were William Gorrell and Isabella Wylie? Rosscorr County Fermanagh Ireland.

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When I type +gorrell +james into the 'Fermanagh Gold' search engine, one of the hits coming back is a Kilskeery Church of Ireland birth record for James, the son of William and Isabella Gorrell of Cabragh (which borders Roscor), the date given is 5 March 1798.

https://www.fermanagh-gold.com/

https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/east-omagh/kilskeery/cabragh/


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Re: James GORRELL b.1797 in or near Enniskillen Ireland.
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 23 December 20 00:11 GMT (UK) »
Gaffy,

Well done!
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Re: James GORRELL b.1797 in or near Enniskillen Ireland.
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 23 December 20 00:17 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, it was just an idle punt, I really didn't think that anything would be available for that era.
 
Other relevant hits might be forthcoming from that same search engine, for example, the death of an 87 year old Isabella Gorrell of Roscor on 22 February 1865 is also noted in Kilskeery Church of Ireland records. The civil record on the 'GRONI' website index shows a reported age of 80. Just a maybe.


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Re: James GORRELL b.1797 in or near Enniskillen Ireland.
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 23 December 20 01:18 GMT (UK) »
thank you
this is so kind of people to help with the Gorrell Family

The birth date is very important and now we can research further

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Re: James GORRELL b.1797 in or near Enniskillen Ireland.
« Reply #15 on: Monday 22 November 21 06:39 GMT (UK) »
Isaac Gorrell married Mary Alexander. of Dromore, Tyrone.  According to a distant relative Isaac was said to have come from Roscor.  They had at least 5 children around the 1840s of whom at least 4 came to Australia around the 1860s.  They settled around Kiama and Berry and some later moved to Sydney. 
The Gorrell/McVity is the marriage of one of these children.  Their mother Mary also came to Australia.
A bit more to add to the story.
Alexander, Edwards, Rutledge, Parker, Wood, Orchard, Henwood, Craig of Australia

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Re: James GORRELL b.1797 in or near Enniskillen Ireland.
« Reply #16 on: Monday 14 February 22 00:00 GMT (UK) »
Thank you to all who have contributed to this research.

another query please;

A family named GORRELL has been found to have lived as farmers at Cabragh near Kilskerry near Enniskillen since at lease RALPH GORRELL 1660's.

Is there chain of family descendants linking Ralph Gorrell to William Gorrell and isabella Wylie parents of James Gorrell (1798 -1877)

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Re: James GORRELL b.1797 in or near Enniskillen Ireland.
« Reply #17 on: Monday 14 February 22 06:21 GMT (UK) »
Correction on last post for GORRELL

We are looking for William Gorrell

very probably

born in Cabragh ...a small community of farms near KILSKEERY

glad for any help

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HALSTEAD Essex, Australia,EVERETT Essex,  BIDDLE, Leicester and Rome Italy, GRUNOW, Adolph b1858 Berlin Germany
Soratapassenger on  ship to Australia 1800 , PICKUP Lanc, NICOL Sct, Joseph Smith and Margaret Holmes Convicts to Australia 2nd fleet and 3rd fleet