John Cameron

[Neale1961]

Tony, Sorry for sending you off on the wild goose chase. I was hoping the address for Ellen on her 1902 marriage might help find them in the 1901 census.
However I do believe I have found the family in 1901 (at least those that are still living with mother). It would help if mother "Ellen" would not keep changing her name.
1901 Census 113 Rose Street Hutchesontown, Glasgow.
Annie CAMERON  head, 45 born Ireland
David CAMERON son 24 Cork cutter, born Glasgow
James CAMERON son 16 Wire worker apprentice, born Glasgow
John REID grandson 5 born Glasgow     -  (I wonder whose son? )
John C SMALL – 29 lodger

So they are in Hutchesontown. By any chance did you look at this death for John?
1891   CAMERON   JOHN   age 45         
644/11 936   Hutchesontown

[TonyMcGartland]

Neale1961,

Happy New Year!

Thank you for this great bit of detective work, I will follow this up today.
Its interesting to see the inclusion of another family name with the grandson.

Another line begins......

Thanks

PS. I checked, it is not my John Cameron
Also a daughter of John Cameron, Jessie, married James Reid in 1894 and John was named as father and alive

[MonicaL]

In trying to narrow down dates further for the death of John, the 1901 census for the family that Neale has posted would let you check for marital status for Annie/Ellen?

Monica

[TonyMcGartland]

He must have died between 1894 and 1901

[Rosinish]

This seems a possible given the family were in Kinning Park for the 1891 census although age out again which seems a common occurrence?

CAMERON JOHN 58
1897
644/14 432 Kinning Park

Annie

[MonicaL]

Tony and Neale,

Can I put up an alternative to the 1901 census? See this entry below in Falkirk. Helen born in Ireland, all the children in Glasgow:

Helen Cameron 39
John Cameron 19 lab
Maggie Cameron 17 outdoor worker
James Cameron 15 lab
William Cameron 6
Alexander Cameron 4

Address: Hall House, Falkirk, Stirlingshire

Monica

[MonicaL]

Tony, just checking...

Have you come across this info on Helen Green's family. Nice photo of two of the Cameron girls (Moya and Jane Morrison Cameron. Jane liked to be known as Susan it seems).

http://mastelfamily.com/4th-gen-james-and-margaret/4592692780

Monica

[Neale1961]

Have you come across this info on Helen Green's family. Nice photo of two of the Cameron girls (Moya and Jane Morrison Cameron. Jane liked to be known as Susan it seems).
http://mastelfamily.com/4th-gen-james-and-margaret/4592692780
Monica

Ooh, Monica that was a good find! Apart from giving the family in the Falkirk census in 1901, it explains other things i could not make sense of. I always wondered where the child Mathilda had gone after the 1891 census; also explains who Jean Morrison Cameron is- she was a witness at James Camerons wedding to Isabella.
So we are now looking for John’s death between 1895-1901 in a different location.

[MonicaL]

Wish the birth reg for Alexander c. 1896-7 was easy to find! Too many to dip in really in Glasgow then. This could make John's death window c. 1896-1901.

I saw there were two deaths with mother showing as Green. Both in Kinning Park:

1880 John
1883 Alexander

Both names potentially resused with later births of sons.

I wonder if Ellen had to apply for poor relief?

Monica