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Re: Query About Twin Births
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 30 December 20 22:22 GMT (UK) »
For the purposes of registration, a time (in England/Wales) is only shown for a multiple LIVE birth .... so if one of twins is stillborn, no time should be recorded for the surviving child.

As a registrar you may know this and it's only just occurs to me to ask - in the case of cojoined twins - are there two birth certificates and if they are both born at the same time (I've seen a video of a section where the head of one was delivered, then the second head then the conjoined bodies together) which counts as elder?

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Re: Query About Twin Births
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 30 December 20 22:25 GMT (UK) »
I concur with AnthoyMMM ;D
My mother was a twin; her sister was registered as stillborn.
Neither certificate has a time of birth.

Unlike myself and my brother, my daughters, and my granddaughters who all have times of birth recorded. (All twins)
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Re: Query About Twin Births
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 30 December 20 22:58 GMT (UK) »
I concur with AnthoyMMM ;D
My mother was a twin; her sister was registered as stillborn.
Neither certificate has a time of birth.

Unlike myself and my brother, my daughters, and my granddaughters who all have times of birth recorded. (All twins)

I was hoping you'd pop in and make a contribution  :D

Happy New Year KG.

Carol
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Re: Query About Twin Births
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 31 December 20 00:08 GMT (UK) »
Just as a matter of general interest, and to point out an oddity in my family tree. My 2x great grandmother and her sister both gave birth to illegitimate babies on the 24th.  February 1849, one baby was born at home, the other in the workhouse, the time of birth is recorded on both certificates yet both were single births.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Query About Twin Births
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 31 December 20 01:07 GMT (UK) »
I concur with AnthoyMMM ;D
My mother was a twin; her sister was registered as stillborn.
Neither certificate has a time of birth.

Unlike myself and my brother, my daughters, and my granddaughters who all have times of birth recorded. (All twins)
Wow. I am amazed by that post alone.

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Re: Query About Twin Births
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 31 December 20 07:53 GMT (UK) »
I concur with AnthoyMMM ;D
My mother was a twin; her sister was registered as stillborn.
Neither certificate has a time of birth.

Unlike myself and my brother, my daughters, and my granddaughters who all have times of birth recorded. (All twins)
Wow. I am amazed by that post alone.

I notice that you joined RC in 2017.
The excitement of my granddaughters births was in 2013!
And there were quite a few conversations back then ;D

I still have the certificate from Guinness World Records hanging on my wall :D
(Joint record holders for Most Consecutive Generations of Twins.)
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Query About Twin Births
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 31 December 20 10:25 GMT (UK) »
As a registrar you may know this and it's only just occurs to me to ask - in the case of cojoined twins - are there two birth certificates and if they are both born at the same time (I've seen a video of a section where the head of one was delivered, then the second head then the conjoined bodies together) which counts as elder?

Not something I ever had to deal with but there would be two birth register entries made, the same as for any twins. The time of birth for each would be whatever the doctor/midwife recorded ( the time of birth comes from the medical records, not from the informant). I would suspect they would both have the same time shown.

Just as a matter of general interest, and to point out an oddity in my family tree. My 2x great grandmother and her sister both gave birth to illegitimate babies on the 24th.  February 1849, one baby was born at home, the other in the workhouse, the time of birth is recorded on both certificates yet both were single births.

A few registrars, in the the early years of registration when the system was new and probably not with as clear rules as now, seem to have recorded times of birth for all/most births. Maybe because they were born on the same day they asked for the times to be shown and the registrar agreed - were they registered at the same time (with consecutive entry numbers in the register) ?

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Re: Query About Twin Births
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 31 December 20 11:41 GMT (UK) »

I notice that you joined RC in 2017.
The excitement of my granddaughters births was in 2013!
And there were quite a few conversations back then ;D

I still have the certificate from Guinness World Records hanging on my wall :D
(Joint record holders for Most Consecutive Generations of Twins.)

We still have the memories of seeing it on 'One Born every minute'   :):)
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Re: Query About Twin Births
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 31 December 20 11:46 GMT (UK) »

I notice that you joined RC in 2017.
The excitement of my granddaughters births was in 2013!
And there were quite a few conversations back then ;D

I still have the certificate from Guinness World Records hanging on my wall :D
(Joint record holders for Most Consecutive Generations of Twins.)

We still have the memories of seeing it on 'One Born every minute'   :):)

Yes indeed Rosie,and thinking we "know" your grandad  ;)

Carol
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