John Ryan b1859

[MaureenP]

   Hi I have hit a brickwall with my elusive Great Uncle John Ryan over the last decade but I am not giving up 

He was born in Seacombe Wallasey in 1859 to John & Ellen/Eleanor Ryan

I have all the family details of him inclusive of the 1861,1871 & 1881 census.

His last know occupation was a quarry worker near Seacombe on the 1881 census.

The only other thing I know via family lore about him is that he and his brother James b 1862  donned the priests robes and drank all the communion wine.

And they were extradited, James to South Africa which is true as James came up via a DNA match.

Apparently John was extradited to Australia.

I cannot find any records at all in UK or Australia re John Ryan and would deeply appreciate any help to find him.

Thank you regardless

[ShaunJ]

they were extradited

You mean they emigrated?

[MaureenP]

Hi Shaun,
Thank you so much  for replying, my apologies the word was exiled that they used as follows...


"The family lore stated that James Ryan and his brother had disgraced the family by entering the church vestry and dressing in the priest's vestments. Some communion wine may also have been consumed."

This was so much of a scandal that they were effectively exiled: James to South Africa, his brother to Australia. The stuff of legends, etc.!"



Cheers
Maureen

[garstonite]

in the 1861 Census - it states John was born in 1860 -
the family are in
Demean Street ,Seacombe , Cheshire
John Ryan aged 37 Ireland
Elenor Ryan aged 39 Ireland
Catherine Ryan aged 11
William Ryan aged 9
Thomas aged 6
John aged 1
..all children born Seacombe ..............
so presumably James was born later - I have posted this info for other members in case John is with any siblings in 1891/1901/1911 census returns .
can I ask if there is any definite paperwork regarding the brothers being exiled - and why to 2 different countries ??  I would think mum and dad would want the brothers to be together at least ??

[ShaunJ]

in the 1861 Census - it states John was born in 1860

Not so. He was aged 1 as at the census date 7 April 1861 so was born between 8 April 1859 and 7 April 1860.

[MaureenP]

Hi
John Ryan was born October quarter of 1859

His mother passed in 1886 of lung cancer

The event of them both could have happened after her passing ?

Re paper work we havent anything,  at least James Ryan left for South Africa, all we know is that any time after the 1881 Census he is married ( we dont know when as its South Africa ) and he had his first child by 1902.

And John Ryan into oblivion ?

Cheers
Maureen

[garstonite]

Maureen - in a census return James is down as James L - do you know what the L stands for ??

[trish1120]

Familysearch has a J Ryan age 28 (1860) arriving in Australia 1888.

[MaureenP]

Hi again

Thankyou Garsonite,

I cannot find a James Ryan b 1862  listed with an L in the 1871 or 1881 census and beyond.

I do know that like his other younger brother Joseph Ryan b 1867 ( my grt grandfather ) like James both added the name Edward as a middle name.

Thank you Trish1120,

Thanks I searched for that clue and found others to around his age arriving so trying to decipher them all