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Re: John Molloy (convict??)
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 09 January 21 05:18 GMT (UK) »
I have spent some time today looking at any possible John Molloy arriving Australia before 1851.
Results below ( I don't think are promising)
POSSIBLE CONVICTS :
John Molloy
Prisoner number 35/ 2527
Convict on Lady McNaughten arrival NSW in 1835
Age 15, Roman Catholic, born Dublin, occupation errand boy
Convicted for picking pockets – sentence 7 yrs
Previous conviction 6 months repeated
Certificate of freedom dated 18 July 1841

John Molloy (a Whiteboy Rebel)
Prisoner number 38-1857
convict per Clyde 2 in 1838 
Age 21 (b. 1817)
Labourer from County Tipperary
Life sentence for Stealing fire arms and shooting
Ticket of Leave 1849 Yass

CONVICTS rejected:
John Molloy per Lord Lyndock 1833
Prisoner No 33/2209
Year of birth 1818; Trade - labourer
Native place London – trial London 1 Dec 1831
Certificate of freedom 19/11/1839

John Molloy per Earl St Vincent March 1818 from Carlow
Born abt 1767

John Molloy per Mangles 1822
born abt. 1785
General Muster 1825 employed with Smith in Newcastle

John Molloy on Earl Spencer 1813

ASSISTED IMMIGRANTS:
John Molloy age 28 Arriving Port Phillip Bay 7 Oct 1841 on board INTRINSIC with wife and family. – unlikely as arrival in Victoria

John Molloy age 21 arriving NSW 28 Aug 1841 onboard FORTH with wife and family – in gaol in 1851 –so he can be rejected.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland)

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Re: John Molloy (convict??)
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 09 January 21 05:59 GMT (UK) »
Here is something to consider:

Assisted Immigrants List – (sorry some things hard to read ….)

Arriving Sydney 11 March 1841 on board “Brothers” is
John MOLLOY age 30 – a BLACKSMITH – a native of Monaghan – the son of Hen? MOLLOY – Roman Catholic – can read & write – person certifying character is James Johnston, Armagh – State of bodily health ? V Good. Brought out by A.B. Smith

With him is Anne MOLLOY age 28? –a house servant -  a native of Monaghan – the daughter of  Peter? DALY a carpenter – Roman Catholic – can read & write – person certifying character is James Johnston, Armagh – State of bodily health ? V Good. Brought out by A.B. Smith

With them are 3 children: Charles 6, Charlotte 10, Mary 18 months.

And I haven't really delved deep looking for this family ....  both Mr & Mrs could read and write ... 


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Re: John Molloy (convict??)
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 09 January 21 06:02 GMT (UK) »
Please indulge me while I think aloud ….
A blacksmith is a skilled trade that needs learning through apprenticeship. For John Molloy to be working as a blacksmith in 1850 he either learned the trade through apprenticeship in Australia, or he was already a blacksmith when he arrived. Assuming he arrived when aged in his 20s, it seems most likely that he would already have a trade/occupation on arrival. Therefore I keep going back to the blacksmith John Molloy who arrived in 1841 on “Brothers” with a wife Ann and 3 children. [POST #14]
That John had a father named Henry, and our John named his 1st son “John Henry” and his 3rd son “Henry” – so the Henry name was significant.

Continuing to think aloud – here’s a theory …

John and wife Ann split up sometime in the 1840s. Either they both re-marry, or John marries (bigamously) in 1851. Not knowing that he had a wife, perhaps he was “encouraged” to marry by the mission in Wellington, rather than “living in sin”, & having children out of wedlock. When his wife Ann died, he was then free for a proper Catholic marriage in 1864, where he refers to himself correctly as a widower. John would have known that the 1851 bigamous marriage was void, so the second marriage was indeed necessary.

Here is a possible death:
MOLLOY ANN R
792/1862 SYDNEY
Father - PATRICK
Mother - MARY P

Or perhaps Ann also married and died under her married name.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland)


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Re: John Molloy (convict??)
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 09 January 21 06:06 GMT (UK) »
Good theory.

I will go through my offline trusty reference books ....

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Re: John Molloy (convict??)
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 20 January 21 02:14 GMT (UK) »
HI some great news.  I just received the marriage certificate for JOHN Molloy and Hannah McKenna in Mudgee from the archives at the Bathurst Cancery.  Johns parents are listed as HENRY MOLLOY and MARY LAMB, John is a Blacksmith aged 43 from Monaghan in Ireland, his father is also a Blacksmith.  John listed as widow.

Therefore it looks like he did arrive on the "Brothers" with wife and kids.  Not a convict after all.  Woo Hoo so happy about this now hopefully can find out a few more bits and pieces BUT if not I'm just happy I know that much.  Also the lovely man at the Bathurst Archives found 7 birth/baptisms for some of the children of John and Hannah. Regards Dianna

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Re: John Molloy (convict??)
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 20 January 21 02:29 GMT (UK) »
Excellent news,  there's nothing better than finding the original documents, and the archivist looks further to follow up.

Many thanks for sharing your Eureka moment,  Woo Hoo and may Golden Cackleberries rain down upon the good folks at Bathurst. 

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Re: John Molloy (convict??)
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 20 January 21 02:31 GMT (UK) »
Excellent news. Feels good to make some Progress!
I had a good feeling about that family on “Brothers”.
Thanks for the up-date.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland)

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Re: John Molloy (convict??)
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 20 January 21 02:38 GMT (UK) »
Thanks to you also for all your help and support.  Blessings be on the Bathurst Archives.  LOL.  Dianna

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Re: John Molloy (convict??)
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 20 January 21 05:46 GMT (UK) »
Just looking for the children from the 1st wife who came onboard the ship.
I wonder if this is Mary?:
 Marriage in 1860 Dubbo Mary Madeline MOLLOY to Isac Henry WELLS
 and then
Death for Mary M WELLS in 1902 Wellington.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland)