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Medal Card help required for Bernard McSheaffrey.
« on: Friday 01 January 21 20:45 GMT (UK) »
I have the medal card for the above person. He was in the Scottish Rifles. He was awarded the Victory Medal. It has D/103 B19 and page 2321 beside it. Underneath it has do. do. So he was awarded the British Medal too. His Rank was Pte. He has two Regtl. Numbers. Wondering if he served in two different campaigns. The first Regtl Number is 36823 and the second one is 63212. Hoping you can help change the info into a readable form for me.

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Re: Medal Card help required for Bernard McSheaffrey.
« Reply #1 on: Friday 01 January 21 21:03 GMT (UK) »
One of my grandfathers was also in one regiment, but had two service numbers as in his case there was re-numbering in 1917.

Is this the Bernard McSheaffrey who was jailed for 30 days in Glasgow in 1924 for an ingenious theft of a gallon of whisky from a bonded warehouse?

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Re: Medal Card help required for Bernard McSheaffrey.
« Reply #2 on: Friday 01 January 21 21:46 GMT (UK) »
The two numbers just means he was renumbered, the other numbers beside the Victory Medal and British War Medal are simply the Reference number if the Medal Roll, unfortunately they donít provide any further information.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,† Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.


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Re: Medal Card help required for Bernard McSheaffrey.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 02 January 21 11:37 GMT (UK) »
His medal roll entry states he was in the 5/6 S. Rifles.
This refers to the 5th. & 6th. Btns merging in May 1916 hence the 2 numbers.
36823 was his 5 or 6/S.Rifles number & 63212 his 5/6/S.Rifles number.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Medal Card help required for Bernard McSheaffrey.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 02 January 21 14:26 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Jim, Do we know what campaigns he took part in?
Bernard McSheaffrey was born Glasgow 1898 and died 1943 Glasgow. He married Margaret Mills. He was the son of William McShaffrey and Mary Hamill. I think this could be the one who was awarded the medals.
There was also a Bernard McSheffrey who was born 1833 Donegal. He married Caroline Shields and he died 1894 Baldernock, Stirlingshire. Bernard and Caroline had a son also called Bernard. Who was born 1869 Baldernock. Seem to be a few variations of the surname.

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Re: Medal Card help required for Bernard McSheaffrey.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 02 January 21 14:59 GMT (UK) »
Bernard McSheaffrey, who was sent to
prison at Glasgow on Monday for 30 days
for stealing whisky from a bonded store in
Govan-street, had two shaped flasks strapped
against his body and two other curved flasks
fitted to the calves of his legs. Bailie Guest,
the presiding magistrate, asked if this was
the origin of the term "bootlegging"

Hull Daily Mail 8-7-1924

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Re: Medal Card help required for Bernard McSheaffrey.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 02 January 21 21:55 GMT (UK) »
This is quite a tricky one to sort out.
You don't know when he joined.
You don't have a service record.
You do know he didn't go overseas pre 1916 as he doesn't have the 15 Star.
The diary for the 5/6th. S.R. doesn't start until Oct. 1918.
Reading the diaries of the 5th. & 6th. S.R. it appears that the 6th. left it's Bde. (100th.)
& joined the Bde. of the 5th. S.R. (19th.).
From there on in they lose their title & are just referred as the 5th. S.R.
As your man has 2 numbers it could be assumed he was formally with the 6th. S.R.
& was re-numbered on transfer to the 5th.
So the starting point is Jan. 1st. 1916 & up to 29th. May 1916 in the 6th. S.R. diary
& from then on the 5th. S.R. diary.
All 3 diaries are free to download at TNA.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01q6g/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01q6h/
You'll notice that the 6th. S.R. diary continues to Jan. 1917 but there seems to be  some
confusion at 3rd. Echelon level as to why.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
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Re: Medal Card help required for Bernard McSheaffrey.
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 03 January 21 09:55 GMT (UK) »
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29.05.1916 Amalgamated with the 1/6th Battalion to form the 5/6th Battalion.
During 1916
The Battle of Albert, The Battle of Bazentin, The attacks on High Wood, The capture of Boritska and Dewdrop Trenches.
During 1917
The First and Second Battles of the Scarpe, The actions on the Hindenburg Line, Operations on the Flanders coast, The Battle of the Menin Road Ridge, The Battle of Polygon Wood.
During 1918
The Battle of Messines, The Battle of Hazebrouck, The Battle of Bailleul, The defence of Neuve Eglise, The First Battle for Kemmel Ridge, The fighting for and recapture of Ridge Wood, The Battle of the Epehy, The Battle of the St Quentin Canal, The Battle of the Beaurevoir Line, The Battle of Cambrai, The pursuit to the Selle, The Battle of the Selle.
11.11.1918 Ended the war in France, Sara-Bara near Berlaimont.
https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/units/240/cameronians-scottish-rifles/


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Re: Medal Card help required for Bernard McSheaffrey.
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 03 January 21 16:54 GMT (UK) »
Just to flesh out AV's info both the 6th.S.R. (100 Bde.) & the 5th. S.R. (19th. Bde.)
were in the same Division (33rd.).
Below is the transfer from the 33rd. Div. diary.
& this is what the LLT says about the 33rd. which pretty much mirrors AV's info:
1916
The Battle of Albert*
The Battle of Bazentin*
The attacks on High Wood*
The capture of Boritska and Dewdrop Trenches*
* the battles marked * are phases of the Battles of the Somme 1916

1917
The First Battle of the Scarpe**
The Second Battle of the Scarpe**
** the battles marked ** are phases of the Arras Offensive
The actions on the Hindenburg Line
Operations on the Flanders coast (Operation Hush)
The Battle of the Menin Road Ridge***
The Battle of Polygon Wood***
*** the battles marked **** are phases of the Third Battles of Ypres

1918
The Battle of Messines^
The Battle of Hazebrouck^
The Battle of Bailleul^
The defence of Neuve Eglise^
The First Battle for Kemmel Ridge^
The fighting for and recapture of Ridge Wood^
^ the battles marked ^ are phases of the Battles of the Lys
The Battle of the Epehy+
The Battle of the St Quentin Canal+
The Battle of the Beaurevoir Line+
The Battle of Cambrai+
+ the battles marked + are phases of the Battles of the Hindenburg Line
The pursuit to the Selle^^
The Battle of the Selle^^
^^ the battles marked ^^ are phases of the Final Advance in Picardy
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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