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Short Latin text from 1646 - written by an Austrian in Italy
« on: Sunday 03 January 21 12:46 GMT (UK) »
Hello Latin experts!!

I would be very interested to know the contents of the attached short text, which is an entry in the Album Amicorum compiled by a German student of medicine in Padua (Italy).

The author of the text was one of my 8th great-grandfathers, Johann Georgius Ribstein, who was born in Ödenburg, which is now Sopron just inside Hungary, in 1619. A few months prior to writing the text, he had been awarded a doctorate in medicine from the University of Padua.


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Re: Short Latin text from 1646 - written by an Austrian in Italy
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 03 January 21 16:39 GMT (UK) »
A couple of gaps (others may yet be able to fill them), and a bit stilted, but I think this is the gist of it ...

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"The order, free from faults, shall be an example to the rest."

To the most illustrious and noble master, the
possessor [of this album] J.N.G. [...], Counsellor and Vice-
Syndic, a most worthy patron/supporter,
who has had to care for much, this is humbly
set down and commended as a final remembrance
[...] Johann Georg Ribstein
Sopron[?], Hungary

Padua, 5 February 1646

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Notes
The top line – which I think reads Is ordo vitijs caretu(s) cæteris specime(n) esto – is a quotation adapted from Cicero (De legibus, iii, the original being Is ordo vitio vacato, ceteris specimen esto).

A bit of searching suggests that Consiliarius and Vice-Syndicus are specialist terms for the official delegates who supported the non-Italian student body at the University of Padua.

Do you know who owned the album? Perhaps J.N.G. are his initials?

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Re: Short Latin text from 1646 - written by an Austrian in Italy
« Reply #2 on: Monday 04 January 21 10:07 GMT (UK) »
Fantastic! Thank you very much.

According to the website (omnia.ie) where I found the image, the album belonged to Werner(us) Ladinges, a medical student from Bremen who studied in Padua from 1645 to 1646, and is held by the National Library of the Netherlands.

The word after J.N.G. is Artist, I believe; making "Inclita Natio Germanica Artistarum", which was the body of German students studying in the arts at Padua.

Found this elsewhere in the internet:

In 1553, following deep internal disagreements, the "Natío Germanica iuristarum" with law students and the "Natio Germanica artistarum", which included students of philosophy, medicine and theology, divided, preserving their own separate archive and library; the library of the Inclytae Nationis Germanicae Artistarum was established in 1586, only in 1596, that of the jurists, both supported thanks to a fee paid specifically by the members but then gradually increased also by donations from students upon returning home, they left their memory in support of their colleagues.



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Re: Short Latin text from 1646 - written by an Austrian in Italy
« Reply #3 on: Monday 04 January 21 10:47 GMT (UK) »
The word after J.N.G. is Artist, I believe; making "Inclita Natio Germanica Artistarum", which was the body of German students studying in the arts at Padua.

Found this elsewhere in the internet:

In 1553, following deep internal disagreements, the "Natío Germanica iuristarum" with law students and the "Natio Germanica artistarum", which included students of philosophy, medicine and theology, divided, preserving their own separate archive and library; the library of the Inclytae Nationis Germanicae Artistarum was established in 1586, only in 1596, that of the jurists, both supported thanks to a fee paid specifically by the members but then gradually increased also by donations from students upon returning home, they left their memory in support of their colleagues.

Excellent, well found! Glad that middle bit is resolved.
I've visited the medical anatomy theatre at the University of Padua -- a wonderful experience.

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Re: Short Latin text from 1646 - written by an Austrian in Italy
« Reply #4 on: Monday 04 January 21 12:05 GMT (UK) »
I also visited Padua back in 2014. What a city (what a country)! Giotto's decorations of the Scrovegni Chapel ... breath-taking.

Does the "p. t." before Consiliarius perhaps stand for "pro tempore"?

These were the offices held by Erasmus - the Erasmus - five years later.

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Re: Short Latin text from 1646 - written by an Austrian in Italy
« Reply #5 on: Monday 04 January 21 12:30 GMT (UK) »
Does the "p. t." before Consiliarius perhaps stand for "pro tempore"?

I was also thinking this, but wasn't sure enough to add it.