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Elsie Williams d1988, who was she?
« on: Monday 04 January 21 12:19 GMT (UK) »
I have hit the biggest brick wall, through DnA testing I have found a blood relative of 148Cm's, her mother Elsie Williams died in june 1988 in Bradford, and her birth date was recorded as 2nd aug 1926, on her daughters birth cert (born Halifax) she recorded her maiden name as Clarke but am unable to find her born on that date, I looked for Elsie's born on that date, none. I looked for Clarkes with and without the E born on that date, nothing, I did a general search of any female born on that date and nothing stands out. so who is Elsie Clarke ?
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Re: Elsie Williams d1988, who was she?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 04 January 21 12:24 GMT (UK) »
Born somewhere other than England or Wales?
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
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Re: Elsie Williams d1988, who was she?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 04 January 21 13:01 GMT (UK) »
I don't really understand what you mean by not finding anyone born on that date.  Where are you looking?  There are several birth registrations in that quarter with and without middle initials.

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Re: Elsie Williams d1988, who was she?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 04 January 21 13:19 GMT (UK) »
her death certificate states she was born 02/08/1926, and her children have always understood that was her date of birth.
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Re: Elsie Williams d1988, who was she?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 04 January 21 13:41 GMT (UK) »
There are two plain Elsie's in SQ1926 and three with middle initials

Births Sep 1926 
CLARKE    Elsie    Harrison    Houghton    10a   979   
CLARKE    Elsie    Siddall    Sheffield    9c   841    
CLARKE    Elsie Frances    Powell    Mt.Drayton    6a   1066   
CLARKE    Elsie May    Smith    Birmingham S.    6d   347    
CLARKE    Elsie Phyllis    Snelling    Fulham    1a   434

Without the 'e'

Births Sep 1926   
CLARK    Elsie    Morrison    Sunderland    10a   1261    
CLARK    Elsie    Deadman    Ware    3a   1126    
CLARK    Elsie Lilian    Whitrick    Orsett    4a   1006    
CLARK    Elsie Sylvia    Bristow    Bradfield    2c   558

Have you found Elsie's marriage at all?
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Elsie Williams d1988, who was she?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 04 January 21 13:51 GMT (UK) »
What was the father's name on the daughter's birth certificate?
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Elsie Williams d1988, who was she?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 04 January 21 13:57 GMT (UK) »
Father was George Williams b1922 Halifax.
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Re: Elsie Williams d1988, who was she?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 04 January 21 14:19 GMT (UK) »
What was George's occupation and did George and Elsie have more than one child?  What sort of years are we talking about for child(ren's) birth(s)?
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Elsie Williams d1988, who was she?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 04 January 21 22:07 GMT (UK) »
It's far from unusual for dates of birth to be wrong. People sometimes shed years off their age when they were alive (or gained them!); and informants for death certificates sometimes get it wrong too.

Ive seen many instances in the 1939 register where the age is out by a year -- and it has to be incorrect as the GRO reference for the relevant birth gives the true year.

Another thought - if Elsie was born in August, her birth could well have been recorded in the final quarter of the year - yes, slightly late, but it happened.

Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)