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Re: Dating and aging Chaim Wolf FELL please
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 05 January 21 23:44 GMT (UK) »
Ive found the manifest of 1908 from Liverpool to usa

The 19 year 0ld single dressmaker daughter
Is accompanying her 36 yr old married  sister and children ranging from 12 years to 4 years

In column for name of relative at departure I think it says father in Liverpool
Eldest daughter mrs goldschmidt.names her Father cant.make out first name could be an anglisism of Chaim but I can read FELL

They are going to join husband Rafael Goldsmith.but for some reason.his name and address is all crossed out shall I post clip on this topic or handwriting board

It would make sense for a big family photo before depature abroad
So maybe photo taken in 1908 in Liverpool with Bessie Goldsmith and her husband and whichever other of Chaims 9 children /grandchildren were also.in Liverpool

I.ll keep looking
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Re: Dating and aging Chaim Wolf FELL please
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 05 January 21 23:46 GMT (UK) »
::) I agree tho don't remember what year fiddler on roof was set

 covering hair was/is important to some Jewish ladies .
 
I'd never heard of pigeon dress but it's evocative that lady looks more modern and children look like they are wearing party clothes

1905 - I went to look it up before posting!   ;)

Party clothes - or some sort of national costume maybe??  No - maybe not - hard to tell.
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Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
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Re: Dating and aging Chaim Wolf FELL please
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 05 January 21 23:54 GMT (UK) »
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It would make sense for a big family photo before depature abroad
So maybe photo taken in 1908 in Liverpool with Bessie Goldsmith and her husband and whichever other of Chaims 9 children /grandchildren were also.in Liverpool

That would fit really well  :)
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Re: Dating and aging Chaim Wolf FELL please
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 06 January 21 00:01 GMT (UK) »
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It would make sense for a big family photo before depature abroad
So maybe photo taken in 1908 in Liverpool with Bessie Goldsmith and her husband and whichever other of Chaims 9 children /grandchildren were also.in Liverpool

That would fit really well  :)

Agree. ;)
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Dating and aging Chaim Wolf FELL please
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 06 January 21 02:07 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your comments
# not sure of sources for ages of his children but

Ive just found out that two of his sons

 motel chone b1878 +

 Itsak b1890 
died in LATVIA during pogroms Dates were not given  (my ancestor escaped brefore 1890pogroms but some relatives stayed later )
There are young men at back of larger photo
so it was taken before leaving Latvia 

Between 1906 birth of Bessies 4th daughter. And 1908 liverpool departure
Could the note say father in Lithuania...and Liverpool jyst a stop over

Id like to find them in Liverpool but  like many of my Latvian family they were in uk between censuses
Can anyone make out if that is his address in Liverpool after name

His grandchildren would not have time to enrol in school

His other Fell children were

Noima(naome ?)

Dora chava 1882 she married in usa 1906

Jacob yankel b1885

Bessies goldshmidts girls born in kurstpils latvia were :
frieda goldsmith b 1896
Sara 1899
Ida sura 1901
Anna 1906

How old do the girls on laps look ?





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Re: Dating and aging Chaim Wolf FELL please
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 06 January 21 11:09 GMT (UK) »
Ive posted link to handwriting for the Goldsmith girls and gusse Fells arrival in Boston.on handwriting board .

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=842417.msg7090079#msg7090079

Clever handwriting have deduced they were going to stay with Abe Fried/Fred friend of husband in Cook Illinois
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Re: Dating and aging Chaim Wolf FELL please
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 06 January 21 11:24 GMT (UK) »
How old do you think the young lad behind ChaimWolf is ?.
Could it be a girl
Maybe the information about the sons who died in pograms have wrong age

The ladies bear family resemblance but there could be a daughter in law there too .
No evidence yet of him having other grandchildren apart from the Goldsmiths
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Re: Dating and aging Chaim Wolf FELL please
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 06 January 21 11:40 GMT (UK) »
names her Father cant.make out first name could be an anglisism of Chaim but I can read FELL
I would say that's Aron
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Re: Dating and aging Chaim Wolf FELL please
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 06 January 21 11:59 GMT (UK) »
Thanks josey it certainly looks like  that to me ..but it doesnt  make sense t me ..theres no link to his known  names .
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