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Actual Birth Location of Arthur Sydney Seaborne.
« on: Saturday 09 January 21 15:20 GMT (UK) »
Happy New Year to all.

I'm fairly new to this forum and I'm posting in the hope that someone will be able to help solve a mystery that has stalled one strand of my family tree for years.  I'm trying to find the correct birth location of my great-grand-father, Arthur Sydney Seaborne.  On all census records, Arthur claims to have been born in Islington, but we (my siblings and I) have never been able to prove same.

Arthur's actual date of birth varies from record to record, but in general, he seems to have been almost a decade older than claimed.  His death cert is the more believable.  Passing away on the 11th Jan 1929, he is cited as being aged 78; i.e. born 1851.  This ties in with certain other family gossip.

Our major sticking point, however, is his true place of birth.  Before her death, my elderly Aunt compiled her own hand-drawn family tree, supported by a memoir of sorts.  In both, she cites her Grand-Dad (i.e. my G-Grand-Dad, Arthur) as being born in Ipswich, Suffolk, the son of Robert Seaborne, an Auctioneer in Ipswich.  Indeed, on his marriage records, Arthur himself cites his (deceased) father as being Robert Seaborne, an Auctioneer.

This presents two problems.  Firstly, the Ipswich Arthur Seaborn born 1850/51 is spelled Seaborn (no 'e' suffix), as is Robert his Father.  More significantly, perhaps, is that Arthur of Ipswich goes on to marry a Laura Lavinia Elliston long before marrying my Great-Gran, Alice Clara Seaborne, nee Prentice.  Moreover, that Arthur has three (poss more) children with Laura Lavinia, all of whom are abandoned to a workhouse following their Mother's early death!  It is possible, I suppose, that our Arthur was a bigamist and a not very nice character to boot.  But I would love to prove otherwise, and find that our Arthur was actually born in Islington, and that he, too, had a Father named Robert and who was also an Auctioneer.

Any help in finding an actual birth record for Arthur Sydney Seaborne of Islington would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Actual Birth Location of Arthur Sydney Seaborne.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 09 January 21 15:41 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to rootschat

Just putting some dates to your information.
1901 census Arthur is with Alice in Walthamstow - RG13 / 1631 f137 p27
He is 42 and born Islington.

He married Alice Clara Prentice 19 Nov 1895 at Milton-Next-Gravesend, his age was given as 34

Death Mar qtr 1885 
SEABORN    Laura Lavina    age 33   
Ipswich    4a   541

ADDED
Marriage Dec qtr 1869 
ELLISTON    Laura Lavinia       
Seaborn    Arthur       
Ipswich    4a   1275
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Re: Actual Birth Location of Arthur Sydney Seaborne.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 09 January 21 15:52 GMT (UK) »
The difference in the spelling of his surname would be quite a common occurrence in those times. 

It would also not be unusual for children who had lost their mother to be put in an institution of some kind, a man on his own would need to be working and could not be looking after the children as well.

I am not sure why you are saying he was possibly a bigamist, there is a 10 year gap between Lavinias death and his remarriage.  Death certificates are also unreliable with the information they contain about the deceased as they are dependant on the knowledge of the informant.
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Re: Actual Birth Location of Arthur Sydney Seaborne.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 09 January 21 15:59 GMT (UK) »
I was just going to say the same, in his defence he wouldn't be a bigamist if his first wife had already died but a widower.

There is this birth in Ipswich to check out.

Arthur Seaborn Jun 1850 mothers maiden name Warner

You would need to purchase the birth certificate to confirm his parents names but can look for a Seaborn/Warner marriage and that family on census.



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Re: Actual Birth Location of Arthur Sydney Seaborne.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 09 January 21 16:03 GMT (UK) »
There is this Seaborn family in 1861

Robert 52 warehouseman born Ardleigh Essex
Elizabeth Mary 50 wife born Debham Essex
Emma 21 daughter born Coggeshall Essex
Esther 17 daughter born Stepney London
Alfred Alex 14 son born Ipswich
Arthur 11 son born Ipswich

In 1851 Arthur is down as 11 but actually 11 months infant and father Robert is clerk at paper mill
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Re: Actual Birth Location of Arthur Sydney Seaborne.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 09 January 21 16:10 GMT (UK) »
Robert Seaborn married Elizabeth Mary Warner 8 Sep 1830 Dedham Essex

Robert died 12 Jul 1869 described as a rag merchant
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Re: Actual Birth Location of Arthur Sydney Seaborne.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 09 January 21 16:13 GMT (UK) »
Age and birthplace is consistent in 1881

Arthur Seaborn 31 born Ipswich
Laura 29
Arthur 6
Percy 4
Robert 2

Arthur is in the workhouse with his children in 1883
Consistent birth year again for Arthur as 1851

Which census do you have him born Islington please?
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Re: Actual Birth Location of Arthur Sydney Seaborne.
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 09 January 21 16:24 GMT (UK) »
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Indeed, on his marriage records, Arthur himself cites his (deceased) father as being Robert Seaborne, an Auctioneer.

That sounds like you have both marriage certificates so am guessing he said he was a bachelor on both which led you to the bigamy suspicion? 

Perhaps he didn't want his second wife to know he had a previous family he wasn't able to care for after being widowed, changed his age and where he was from to make a fresh start. 

What do you think?
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Re: Actual Birth Location of Arthur Sydney Seaborne.
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 09 January 21 16:52 GMT (UK) »
Rosie posted the 1901 census in the first reply?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9ND-SLX

1911 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWFM-MCH

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