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Mangerton Ruin Query
« on: Monday 11 January 21 10:29 GMT (UK) »
A stone shield built into the ruins of the tower/castle at Mangerton, Rox has been examined by numerous experts. It is dated 1583. I have all the details from the RCAHMS etc. I have a poor quality photo of the shield which I've attached. I would like to see other photos of the shield, particularly any pre-1980, in order to identify the symbols more accurately.
I have seen a variety of descriptions of the symbols, some seem likely, others don't. Erosion has obviously taken its toll! I would prefer to make my own judgement as to what is shown.
Could anyone with photos please post them?
Many thanks in advance,
Bob
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Re: Mangerton Ruin Query
« Reply #1 on: Monday 11 January 21 11:41 GMT (UK) »
https://canmore.org.uk/collection/381093

I'd go for the imprint not a photo of something that would certainly be in worse condition due to 20thC pollution but that's just my opinion.

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Re: Mangerton Ruin Query
« Reply #2 on: Monday 11 January 21 11:49 GMT (UK) »
Sadly there's very little of it left now, Don. There have been numerous Armstrong Clan gatherings over the years, certainly since 1980, so potentially a lot of photographs. However, there must surely be some taken in earlier times?
Fingers crossed!
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Re: Mangerton Ruin Query
« Reply #3 on: Monday 11 January 21 21:33 GMT (UK) »
It has certainly weathered! Not sure what you have seen or not seen, Bob, such as this? http://reivers.info/mangerton-tower-heraldic-panel/

There is also this:

Two other  rubbings  are  of  coats  of  arms  from  the  towers  of  Mangertonand  "YVhithaugh.No.  4.  The  Mangerton  one is  dated  1583  over  the shield.    The  blazonhere,  for Armstrong,  is  a  chevron between  three  lozenges in  the  centre  ofthe  dexter  side  of the  shield,  and  a  sword,  point  upwards,  on  the  sinisterside.    On either  side  of the  shield  are  the  initials  S.  A.  and  F.  F

This snip is from PROCEEDINGS SOCIETY  OF  ANTIQUARIES   OF  SCOTLAND.'NINETIETH  SESSION,  1869-70. Link shrunk www.rootschat.com/links/01q7f/  It is the third link on the page - journals.socantscot.org › index.php Hope it works! One of those messy cached links.

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Re: Mangerton Ruin Query
« Reply #4 on: Monday 11 January 21 22:20 GMT (UK) »
Firstly, many thanks for your reply, Monica. It was very kind of you.
I have seen the info you listed. I have seen a number of varying descriptions of the stones and their symbols, so keen to see as old a photo as possible as they can't all be correct!
Cheers,
Bob
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Re: Mangerton Ruin Query
« Reply #5 on: Monday 11 January 21 22:23 GMT (UK) »
Seeing is believing, Bob  ::)

Hopefully someone will have one in their collection.

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