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Re: Twins born 1778 Hannah and Sarah ARGENT
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 12 January 21 10:11 GMT (UK) »
Regarding James, we have a baptism at Bow, 7 May 1780, to Samuel and Sarah.
And a burial at Barking, 30 Aug 1780, James Argent, infant
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6Q9S-871

If Samuel and Sarah had other children buried at Barking, and were themselves buried there from Bow, then they may have had son James buried there too.

Well done, Iíve been trying to bump off James...I must make more use of familysearch ::)
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Re: Twins born 1778 Hannah and Sarah ARGENT
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 12 January 21 10:16 GMT (UK) »

Thank you all for replies. I need to digest all this new information.
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Re: Twins born 1778 Hannah and Sarah ARGENT
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 12 January 21 10:26 GMT (UK) »
The age of Elizabeth Argent, 89, on death in 1864, is a good(ish) match for the 1776 baptism.
Really your problem is the ages given for Hannah (especially) and Sarah. And we only have one confirmed sighting of Sarah.

A bit desperate, but, theoretically, as an unmarried woman, the death cert of Elizabeth might give her father's name in the occupation column, i.e. daughter of Samuel Argent, Carpenter
But she was 89(!), and most, or all, of her siblings were dead. The informant may have no idea. So I wouldn't be too confident of it :(
John



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Re: Twins born 1778 Hannah and Sarah ARGENT
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 12 January 21 11:01 GMT (UK) »
The age of Elizabeth Argent, 89, on death in 1864, is a good(ish) match for the 1776 baptism.
Really your problem is the ages given for Hannah (especially) and Sarah. And we only have one confirmed sighting of Sarah.

A bit desperate, but, theoretically, as an unmarried woman, the death cert of Elizabeth might give her father's name in the occupation column, i.e. daughter of Samuel Argent, Carpenter
But she was 89(!), and most, or all, of her siblings were dead. The informant may have no idea. So I wouldn't be too confident of it :(
John

I know  :'(  Add to the fact that only Hannah in my records married there are no marriage certificates with a father.

I think I am going to have to put them back in the maybe file, where theyíve been since about 2008   ::) 
I researched back then with a lovely lady who was a descendant from another Argent family. She had extensive trees and even then had my lot hanging on a twig waiting for a family. Iíve no idea what happened to all her research as she had no family who were interested enough to keep it going.

Thanks for all the help everyone .
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Re: Twins born 1778 Hannah and Sarah ARGENT
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 12 January 21 11:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Good luck, hope you find the answer!
I'll add one last thing, a possible Sarah death in 1860 (can't see her after 1851)
There is an age discrepancy again, this time between the age recorded from the cert in the new GRO death index, and the one given on  the burial record!

ARGENT, SARAH       
Age at Death (in years):  78 
GRO Reference: 1860  J Quarter in POPLAR UNION  Volume 01C  Page 401

Some others with the same GRO reference are buried at Tower Hamlets (no Sarah), around the same time in April as this burial at the City of London Cemetery
23 April 1860
Sarah Argent
residence Poplar
age 66 years
last entry, double click to get bigger saveable image
https://col-burialregisters.uk/archive/burial-registers-january-1860-to-december-1869/register-003/1063267

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Re: Twins born 1778 Hannah and Sarah ARGENT
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 12 January 21 13:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Good luck, hope you find the answer!
I'll add one last thing, a possible Sarah death in 1860 (can't see her after 1851)
There is an age discrepancy again, this time between the age recorded from the cert in the new GRO death index, and the one given on  the burial record!

ARGENT, SARAH       
Age at Death (in years):  78 
GRO Reference: 1860  J Quarter in POPLAR UNION  Volume 01C  Page 401

Some others with the same GRO reference are buried at Tower Hamlets (no Sarah), around the same time in April as this burial at the City of London Cemetery
23 April 1860
Sarah Argent
residence Poplar
age 66 years
last entry, double click to get bigger saveable image
https://col-burialregisters.uk/archive/burial-registers-january-1860-to-december-1869/register-003/1063267

Thank you !  I did have that ref pencilled in for Sarah but like to see a death certificate or burial record to confirm.
Not making it easy are they ?
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Re: Twins born 1778 Hannah and Sarah ARGENT
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 12 January 21 14:51 GMT (UK) »
May be part of Sarah Braybrook's family.
A John Braybrook bach. was married at St Margaret, Barking on 14 May 1770. Bride Mary Collop sp., botp. Both made mark. One witness was another John Braybrook, but he signed. Shaky, poor signature, could be elderly / not used to writing.
I've found three children born to couple, bapt in Barking.
Phoebe Sarah bapt 5 Jan 1772
John bapt 17 Jun 1777
Mary bapt 13 Apr 1783

Several gaps so maybe more. This is from transcript on FindMyPast, so I'll have a look at registers

There is a burial for a Mary on 03 Aug 1783, don't know whether it's the baby or the mother.
Burial for a John Braybrook on 06 Sep 1850 at Barking age 73, residence Romford Union. So he could be the son John.

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Can't find any more Braybrook baptisms in Barking. Register has birth of Mary as 25 March, so baptised at about 3 weeks. The burial says Mary was infant, so it's not the mother.
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Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
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Re: Twins born 1778 Hannah and Sarah ARGENT
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 12 January 21 15:41 GMT (UK) »
Phoebe Sarah married on 31 Dec 1700 in Shoreditch to Charles Webb. She signed. Witnesses Charles and Charlotte Braybrook made their mark.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
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Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
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Re: Twins born 1778 Hannah and Sarah ARGENT
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 12 January 21 19:17 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Lizzie, more to add to the story. Braybrook not an uncommon surname in Essex it seems.
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Sussex - Knapp. Nailard. Potten. Coleman. Pomfrey. Carter. Picknell
Greenwich/Woolwich. - Clowting. Davis. Kitts. Ferguson. Lowther. Carvalho. Pressman. Redknap. Argent.
Hertfordshire - Sturgeon. Bird. Rule. Claxton. Taylor. Braggins