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I Alms or out
« on: Tuesday 12 January 21 14:30 GMT (UK) »
Another query.I have looked at the records of St Philip and Jacob burials and the early ones ---quite a lot of people were buried in alms or out alms.Can you tell me what it meant please,either way was free!Thank you
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Re: I Alms or out
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 12 January 21 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Could you give us an example, so that we can look for ourselves.


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Re: I Alms or out
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 12 January 21 16:31 GMT (UK) »
It was from the early burials at Bristol,St Philip and Jacob
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Re: I Alms or out
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 12 January 21 16:36 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, I didn't make myself clear - can you give an indication of surname and year?

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Re: I Alms or out
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 12 January 21 16:58 GMT (UK) »
OK, I've now found the registers - Ancestry.

My interpretation is that "Out Alms" means that the parish paid for funeral as there is no indication of a sum of money against the name.

e.g.  23 March 1763 - Elizabeth Sheppard - Out Alms

Next entry is for

John Shutter & Prayers 1.0.0.

What an interesting parish register for these burials, so much information given, even to the moving of a body.

"In Alms" didn't pay anything for the burial either.

 
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer.
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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 12 January 21 19:30 GMT (UK) »
I needed a new project while i am locked in,well almost,so decided to look at those registers as the vicar listed all the causes of death,i was looking for surnames as well,but mainly how many children died and from what illnesses,its fascinating,i have been through every one and actually found a complete new family.Glenys
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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 12 January 21 20:23 GMT (UK) »
Yes, fascinating. 
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 13 January 21 08:22 GMT (UK) »
I've been having another "think" about Alms.   :-\ :-\

"in Alms" means that the person had been in receipt of poor relief and had been resident in the Almshouse.

"out Alms" means that the person had been in receipt of poor relief, but had not been a resident in the Almshouse.

Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer.
He/she who never made a mistake, never made anything.
Archbell - anywhere, any date
Kendall - WRY
Milner - WRY
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 13 January 21 08:38 GMT (UK) »
I listened (on Zoom) a talk about 'The Parish Chest' and how the Church was responsible for keeping the records 16/17/18th century -  for many years, listing:  claims, causes of deaths, payment,  etc etc.  It was basically The Record Office for the Parish.

In some of the old registers on Ancestry, I have seen the population tables written in the back of the register, number of families/males/females/children and number of people engaged in occupations.

Also about the Curfew Bell (on Wikipedia) - was a bell rung in the evening (8 o'clock  in Medieval England)  a signal for everyone to go to bed - which in some areas lasted until the 18th century. The curfew bell is still rung at 8 pm every evening, St Peter's Church Sandwich.

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