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Hello,

I am a descendant of one Thomas Bertram, a protestant from somewhere in Ireland who was stationed and living in 'St. John's Isle', latter day Prince Edward Island, in the first decade of the 19th century when he was a Private in the Royal Artillery.  He had 5 children with a woman named Margaret whose surname varies between Morris and Morrison in the baptismal records at St. Paul's Anglican in Charlottetown, and the 5th child, my great great great grandfather John Bertram, was born in 1812.  (All five children were baptized by the interesting Theophilus DesBrisay, who had been captured by American privateers in the mid 1770s and who served as a chaplain on a man-of-war for 2 yr.s)  Thomas Bertram then had 2 more children with a Margaret Durpre or Dwyre, it's hard to make out the handwriting in the baptismal record.     Would anyone have any advice as to whether there might be records extant as to this Private and how I might avail myself of them?   I'm wondering of course where in Ireland he was from, where Margaret Morris or Morrison was from (and whether the name is Morris or Morisson), and anything else that I can learn about him.   I'm also curious as to the nature of his life and work at the time as he was in what is today Atlantic Canada throughout the course of the War of 1812.  What was the nature and extent of the Royal Artillery's involvement in that war, and what might have been the extent of his own?  I understand that Charlottetown was tiny in those days.  He was interred in 'the old Protestant burying ground' in Charlottetown but I assume his stone is illegible as I can't find any record of it.

If anyone can share any information or advice I'd be appreciative.

Thank you



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Re: A Pte in the Royal Artillery in PEI during the War of 1812, Thomas Bertram
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 26 February 23 20:15 GMT (UK) »
I made 2 mistakes in that post.  Thomas did remarry and had at least 2 more children after Margaret Morrison or Morris died (shortly after John Bertram, my ancestor was born in 1812; I assume she died), but the surname Dupre or Dwyre (I think it was Dwyre) was that of Margaret's 1st husband.  She was a Margaret Dwyre (or Dupre) and a widow when she married Thomas.  Again, Morrison or Morris was her maiden surname.  My 2nd mistake is in that John Bertram was my great great grandfather (not great x 3).  That post is more than 2 yr.s old, but if anyone has anything to add please do.     

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Re: A Pte in the Royal Artillery in PEI during the War of 1812, Thomas Bertram
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 26 February 23 21:27 GMT (UK) »
I'm sorry that I can't tell you anything about Thomas Bertram's military career, but it occurs to me that since he was born in Ireland that he may have been first recruited into the Royal Irish Artillery (which was later merged with the British Royal Artillery following the unification of Britain and Ireland in 1800). The RIA served in North America from 1777  and formed part of the British forces at the time of the war of 1812. More details  on the RIA here:

Crooks, J. J. (John Joseph). History of the Royal Irish Regiment of Artillery. Dublin : Browne and Nolan, 1914.

https://web.archive.org/web/20080509092222/http://www.ziplink.net/~edkreutz/history.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20080518074040/http://www.royalirish.com/hist_paper.html (this article is mainly about the American War of Independence and not the War of 1812).

The Royal Artillery companies which were deployed to North America in the first part of the nineteenth century were mainly equipped with 6 pounder smooth bore guns which were drawn by horses, and consequently were known as Royal Horse Artillery (RHA). They  were a completely separate corps from the artillerymen who manned the heavier calibre guns in the permanent forts, who were known as the Royal Garrison Artillery (RGA).

There was a third group of artillery fighting in North America, namely the Royal Marine Artillery who were the Royal Navy's Marines based  both on board ships and on land. In addition to their light guns, they were also equipped with the Congreve Rocket during the War of 1812, as were the RHA.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congreve_rocket#War_of_1812

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Re: A Pte in the Royal Artillery in PEI during the War of 1812, Thomas Bertram
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 26 February 23 23:05 GMT (UK) »
Dear Andy J2022,

That's very kind of you to reply with that information.  I will read up on the RIA, soon.  I spoke with a man not long ago (whose name escapes me just now) who I was referred to by people at the military museum in Charlottetown, the go-to local military history expert in Charlottetown, and while he couldn't say anything re my great x 3 grandfather either, he did say that there were @ 200 full-time soldiers resident in the garrison at Charlottetown (or on the Island in total?  I'll check my notes) during the War of 1812, but one or more militias had been organized at the time which significantly outnumbered the soldiers (if I recall). 

Thank you again for kindly taking the time.   


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Re: A Pte in the Royal Artillery in PEI during the War of 1812, Thomas Bertram
« Reply #4 on: Monday 27 February 23 00:29 GMT (UK) »
An interesting discussion and list of army regiments which served in Canada during the War of 1812:

https://www.napoleon-series.org/military-info/battles/bna/c_bna1.html

as well as this one showing the Royal Artillery:

http://www.cmhg-phmc.gc.ca/cmh-pmc/page-538-eng.aspx

Nearly all Royal Artillery records are kept at the National Archives in Kew, England

https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/img_auth.php/9/95/British+Artillery+Records.pdf