Brick Wall - POLLARD, London

[cuffie81]

1841 Census: Buttesland Street, St Leonard Shoreditch
Martha, with parents Charles and Martha
Ref HO107; Piece 707; Book 7; Folio 36; Page 21

1851 Census: Clift Street, Saint Leonards Shoreditch
Martha Meale? with father Charles and siblings
Also at same address, in different household is a Louisa Marchant, cousin of head Elizabeth Cleghorn.
Ref HO107; Piece 1536; Folio 410; Page 33

Is Louisa Marchant the same Louisa Mary Marchant Cleghorn that married Thomas Harris Pollard (jun)? Her age does differ though, so maybe just another relation.

Settlement Papers
Shoreditch
03 Mar 1852
- As to the settlement of:
- Henrietta Merle, aged 10 years
- Charles Merle, aged 9 years
- children of Charles Merle, aged 37 years, and Martha, his wife; both deceased
- children now residing with Elizabeth Cleghorn
- widow, of 15 Clift St, New North Road
- there upwards of 6 years
- Charles Merle married my daughter Martha Cleghorn,
- at Hoxton church, Middlesex, about June 13 years ago
- ___?
- said Martha died 28 Dec 1845 at my house 15 Clift St, New North Road
- said Charles Merle was then residing with one and he never left house afterwards

[Ladyhawk]

Louisa's father deceased on m/c occ millwright

Alexander Cleghorn, signed
Marriage    11 Jan 1830 Saint Leonards,Shoreditch,London
Spouse:   Mary Marchant, made her mark
both of this parish, one witness John Cleghorn

Alexander Cleghorn Birth 6 Jun 1804
Baptism 21 Oct 1804 Saint Luke Old Street, Finsbury, London
Father:    John Cleghorn Mother:    Susanna

Edit to add 1841 census

Piece: 668 Folio:   24 Page 6
Finsbury, St Luke
Alexander Cleghorn 35, millwright
Mary Cleghorn   40 - not born in county
Henry Cleghorn   10

[Ladyhawk]

For info. not sure if this info. has been added - apologies if I've duplicated

1851c Piece:   1563 Folio:   37 Page Number:   66
Falcon ?
Thos H Pollard   40  Cornwall              occ shoemaker
Mary Pollard   40 Cardigan
Thos H Pollard   17 Cripplegate Middx. occ ditto
Mary A Pollard   14 ditto

possible marriage

Thomas Harris Pollard
Marriage 18 Feb 1832 St Olave, Bermondsey, Southwark
Spouse:   Mary Evans

possible child - no image to determine father's occupation
found father Thomas occ Shoemaker abode Falcon court

Edward Evan Pollard Birth 6 Jul 1840
Baptism 6 Feb 1850 St. George the Martyr, Southwark, Surrey
Father:    Thomas Harris Pollard Mother:    Mary

POLLARD, EDWARD  EVAN     mmn EVANS 
1840  S Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY  Volume 04  Page 18

ADDED

Thomas Harris Pollard was in Worcestershire from 1861

He's in Shoreditch in 1871.

In 1871 he's in Worcestershire with wife Louisa.

Annette

Definitely in Shoreditch in 1871

Thomas Harris   Pollard   38   1833   Head   Cripplegate, Middlesex   Boot Maker         
Louisa   Pollard   40   1831   Wife   Greenwich, Kent   Laundress

and

1861 census Piece:   214 Folio:   126 Page 26
Thomas H Pollard 28 Cripplegate occ Bootmaker
Louisa Pollard   30 Greenwich occ Laundress

see beginning of this post for 1851 census

[Suzy100]

Thank you to everyone who has contributed to my question you have all been so helpful and I am amazed at how you think out of the box.  I do not think I would have made the connection and Martha Merle was quite a girl.  I am looking forward to the certificates arriving.

[Ladyhawk]

Thank you to everyone who has contributed to my question you have all been so helpful and I am amazed at how you think out of the box. 

I do not think I would have made the connection and Martha Merle was quite a girl.

  I am looking forward to the certificates arriving.

You are welcome please come back and let us know what the certificates reveal 

[Suzy100]

I have finally received the birth certificates for Martha Merle's sons with a different name for the father from the Baptism records, she seemed to like changing the fathers name about I guess because he was married to someone else.  But I am certain they are one in the same.

Again thank you all for your help

[Ladyhawk]

I have finally received the birth certificates for Martha Merle's sons with a different name for the father from the Baptism records, she seemed to like changing the fathers name about I guess because he was married to someone else.  But I am certain they are one in the same.

Again thank you all for your help

Thanks for posting details, so a different address to the baptism records - did she just miss off surname Pollard 

That makes you wonder what father's name would be on the b/c for Martha nee Merle's daughter Martha Harris Pollard

In 1881 the two boys were born in Clerkenwell and Islington.  There are no births registered under POLLARD.

HARRIS, THOMAS  EDWARD
Mother's maiden surname: MERLE     
GRO Reference: 1864  J Quarter in CLERKENWELL  Volume 01B  Page 554

HARRIS, HENRY ALFRED
Mother's maiden surname: MERLE     
GRO Reference: 1869  J Quarter in ISLINGTON  Volume 01B  Page 341

Debra 

Their daughter Martha born Jan 8th 1871
private bapt. 15 May 1871 St James, Hackney
father Thomas POLLARD, occ. boot maker, mother Martha abode 65 Long Alley

POLLARD, MARTHA  HARRIS   mmn MERLE
1871  M Quarter in SHOREDITCH  Volume 01C  Page 68   

Thomas Pollard born April 7th 1864
Henry Pollard born April 16th 1869
Baptism 7 May 1872 England, Shoreditch St James, Hackney
Father:   Thomas Pollard, shoe maker Mother: Martha abode 65 Long Alley

EDIT to add Martha’s death entry

Martha Harris Pollard died age 7
1878 Mar Holborn London Volume:   1b Page:   570

[Suzy100]

I just need a little more help I am afraid.  I still cannot find where Martha Merle b.1840 (and her children Thomas Edward Pollard and Henry Alfred Pollard) is in the 1871 census.  I have tried surnames Pollard, Harris, Merle but nothing.  Any help with finding this elusive lady and her sons would be greatly appreciated. 

[Ladyhawk]

I just need a little more help I am afraid. 

I still cannot find where Martha Merle b.1840 (and her children Thomas Edward Pollard and Henry Alfred Pollard) is in the 1871 census. 

I have tried surnames Pollard, Harris, Merle but nothing. 

Any help with finding this elusive lady and her sons would be greatly appreciated.

Mmm…..if I remember correctly the family were very elusive in 1871

Reply 8 from Suzy100 as a possible for Martha in 1861

1861 Martha Merle, lodger Millner  living  4 Downham Road Edward Place Parish  Hackney

1881 Martha Pollard, Millner & sons Thomas & Henry living 86 Hertford Rd Hackney

I’m guessing they should be somewhere in Hackney in 1871 as her three children

Thomas Edward Harris (bpt Pollard) born 7th April 1864
Henry Alfred Harris (bpt Pollard) born 16th April 1869
Martha Harris Pollard born 8th Jan 1871

were all baptised at St James Hackney (1871/72) and the address on their baptism record
65 Long Alley