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Can one person have such different signatures?
« on: Sunday 17 January 21 13:09 GMT (UK) »
This post is about siblings John and Sarah Andrews. In 1797 Sarah's marriage was witnessed by a John Andrews witnessed the marriage of John (John III). Four years later a John Andrews witnessed her marriage (John IV). I have found no possible John except her brother, but the capital 'A' and small 'd' are very different.

I have also attached John and Sarah's father's signature in 1765 (John II), which looks quite like that of his son in 1797; and their likely grandfather's signature in 1760 (John I) which looks quite like the 1801 signature!

Any thoughts?

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Re: Can one person have such different signatures?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 17 January 21 13:57 GMT (UK) »
the second image looks like it may be all in the same hand.
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Re: Can one person have such different signatures?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 17 January 21 14:15 GMT (UK) »
Thank you and a good thought - and his writing is similar to the vicar's - but I think it is different (see the 'd').
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Re: Can one person have such different signatures?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 17 January 21 15:44 GMT (UK) »
For what it is worth - the marriage entry for John and Sarah - 1765 - has original signatures for groom, bride plus witnesses and the Curate.  Thomas Weakam is obviously a church official as he is a witness to a number of marriages.
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Re: Can one person have such different signatures?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 17 January 21 15:52 GMT (UK) »
John Andrews who married Hannah White in 1797 is not the same John Andrews.  He is a bachelor!  It might be interesting to see if the Marriage Bond and/or Allegation have survived, which may give a clue as to age and occupation for John.

Added:  He might very well be the same John Andrews who witnessed Sarah's marriage to James Pike in 1801.


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Re: Can one person have such different signatures?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 17 January 21 16:06 GMT (UK) »
For what it is worth - the marriage entry for John and Sarah - 1765 - has original signatures for groom, bride plus witnesses and the Curate.
Yes, thanks, I realised that.

John Andrews who married Hannah White in 1797 is not the same John Andrews.  He is a bachelor!  It might be interesting to see if the Marriage Bond and/or Allegation have survived, which may give a clue as to age and occupation for John.

Added:  He might very well be the same John Andrews who witnessed Sarah's marriage to James Pike in 1801.

Sorry, I obviously didn't explain myself very well. I don't think the John who married in 1765 is the same as the one who married in 1797 - they are father/son. I just think their signatures are similar. My question is whether the John in 1797 is the same as the one in 1801. The difference in their signatures suggests not but, if the witness to Sarah's marriage isn't her father or brother (as neither the 1765 nor 1797 signature looks the same), I don't know who it is - she didn't have any uncles or cousins called John.

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Re: Can one person have such different signatures?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 17 January 21 17:56 GMT (UK) »
Question - have you managed to "dispose" of John who married in 1765?
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Re: Can one person have such different signatures?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 17 January 21 18:09 GMT (UK) »
No! I'm fairly sure his wife, Sarah, was the Mrs Sarah Andrews buried in Froxfield in 1800; but I haven't found him yet.

The families were fairly rich and most left wills, but sadly not John or his father.

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