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Re: MARK COOPER - DETROIT, MICHIGAN (also England)
« Reply #9 on: Monday 18 January 21 16:20 GMT (UK) »
Reply 6 - occ barber

Louis Madenberg married Fanny Cooper 1897 London.  2 of their children named Hyman & Annie (reply 1)
1911 has Mark Cooper occ hairdresser  living with them

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Re: MARK COOPER - DETROIT, MICHIGAN (also England)
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 23 January 21 15:10 GMT (UK) »
Mark G Cooper married Helen Goldgleid 15th May 1917 Detroit. It states parents Hyman & Anna Cooper both born Russia. Mark was born 25th April 1891 London


Thanks everyone, greatly appreciated...

I don't suppose there's a where in Russia (big country) for Hyman & Anna Cooper, tried looking myself but no joy as yet. There's some journey brewed - Russia - Poland - England - Canada - USA....


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Re: MARK COOPER - DETROIT, MICHIGAN (also England)
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 23 January 21 15:35 GMT (UK) »
Afternoon,

In researching and compiling a biography of an American citizen we have managed to trace her descendants back to Russia in the 1800s.

I am therefore looking for any information on the following persons who would be the parents/grandparents of Marcus G. Gooper and Helen Cooper (nee. Goldgleid).

Marcus was born in London, 1891 to Hyman and Anna Cooper (nee. Rifka); Helen (Nellie) was born in New York, 1894, to Morris and Manna Goldgleid (believe their respective birth years were 1870 & 1867).

I'm looking for birthdates, birthplaces, when left Russia - also, what would the reasons have been behind leaving Eastern Europe for England/America in the late 1800s.

Thanks in Advance....

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Re: MARK COOPER - DETROIT, MICHIGAN (also England)
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 24 January 21 00:15 GMT (UK) »
Have you considered looking for Naturalisation certificates for any of these people in either The UK, Canada or the USA?


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Re: MARK COOPER - DETROIT, MICHIGAN (also England)
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 24 January 21 00:21 GMT (UK) »
I'm looking for birthdates, birthplaces, when left Russia - also, what would the reasons have been behind leaving Eastern Europe for England/America in the late 1800s.

Hmm, don’t you think that the family’s original name should be your first port of call?  For some weird reason “Cooper” does not sound like an original Jewish eastern European surname… LOL


I think that you might want to consider the surname of the following family (it is only a rough overview that is far from complete. The 1891 census mentions that they were born in Warsaw but eg Barnett’s later papers do not agree, so there might be more bits that need to be tweeked).


Hyman KIPPENHOOR/KIPPERHOOR/KIPPERHOUR etc b abt 1852 Warsaw?, Occ: Tailor (1891)
X Annie b abt 1853 Warsaw?
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Children:
- Fanny b abt 1874 Warsaw?, occ: Tailoress (1891)
- Morris b abt 1875 Warsaw?, occ: Machinist (1891)
- Barnett KIPPERHOOR aka B. COOPER b abt 20 Aug 1883 Breslau Silesia, occ: Hairdresser and Tobacconist (1912)
   (NB in 1925 Barnett joins his brother Mark in the USA)
- Jenny b abt 1884 Warsaw?
- Jacob b abt 1890 London?
- Marks KIPPERHOOR b reg Q#2 1891 district Mile End Old Town (London/Middlesex)  (mmn=ROTSTEIN)
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Residence 5 April 1891: 67 Plummers Row, Hamlet Mile End Old Town, London

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Re: MARK COOPER - DETROIT, MICHIGAN (also England)
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 24 January 21 02:08 GMT (UK) »
Arrival 22 December 1920, at New York, from Southhampton
Mark Cooper, 28, a salesman, Hebrew,
Helen Cooper, 28, wife, Hebrew,
Rita Grace, age 1,
All citizens of Great Britain, last residence: Detroit
nearest relative in England: Mark's brother, B. Cooper, 14 Garage (?) Building, London, W. O.
or that could be Gamage Building, London, W.C.

headed to Detroit, marked non immigrants.

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Re: MARK COOPER - DETROIT, MICHIGAN (also England)
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 24 January 21 02:09 GMT (UK) »
1911 Census
100 Grove Vale, East Dulwich, London SE
Louis Madenberg, 40, tobacconist, born in Warsaw, Poland
Fannie, 36, assistant in the business, born in Warsaw, Poland
Annie, 13
Hyman, 7
Clara, 60, mother, widow, born in Warsaw
Mark Cooper, 21, brother in law, born in London, hairdresser

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"Cooper" sounded like the family had changed their name. This might be Mark's parents:

1891 Census, Mile End Old Town, London
Hyman Kipperhoor, 38, born Warsaw, Russia, tailor
Annie, 37, born Warsaw, Russia
Fannie, 16, tailoress
Morris, 15, machinist
Jennie, 6
Barnett, 8
Jacob, 12 months
Leah Schnitzer, 28, lodger, single

all children except Jacob were born in Warsaw, Russia

[indexed at ancestry as Kipperhoon, but the image says Kipperhoor]

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if so, this would be Mark's birth
from gro.gov.uk
KIPPERHOOR, MARKS        mother's maiden name: ROTSTEIN     
GRO Reference: 1891  J Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN  Volume 01C  Page 486

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Re: MARK COOPER - DETROIT, MICHIGAN (also England)
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 24 January 21 02:38 GMT (UK) »
Mark's contact in London in 1920 was a brother B Cooper. Here is Barnett's information, including his arrival in the US in 1925 headed to his brother Mark in Detroit:

UK Certificate of naturalization to an alien
12 April 1912

Whereas Barnett Kipperhoor known as B Cooper, alien, residing at 111 Amhurst Road, Hackney Downs, .. a subject of Germany, having been born at Breslau Silesia on the 20th August 1883, and is the son of Hyman and Annie Kipperhoor, both subjects of Russia - a hairdresser and tobacconist ... etc, married with 2 children

stamped 26 April 1912, on the next page

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1911 at 111 Amhurst Rd NE, Central Hackney
Barnett Cooper, hairdresser and tobacconist, born in Germany
wife Sarah and 2 children: James and Evelyn

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London Electoral Registers
Barnett and Sarah Cooper
78 Fenchurch, (abode: 22 Seagry Rd, Wanstead E)

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US - Petition for citizenship
22 September 1932

Barnett Kipperhoor, known as Cooper
residing 5832 Sansom St, Philadelphia, a salesman
born Breslau, Germany, 20 August 1883, race: Hebrew
declared intention to be a citizen 23 September 1925, US District Court, Miami, FL
arrived in the US as Barnett Cooper (Barnett Kipperhoor) from Southhampton 23 May 1925 on the Berengaria, last foreign residence: London
wife and 4 children born in London, all live with him in Philadelphia

signed Barnett Kipperfoor
 
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24 May 1925 arrival at New York, on the Berengaria
Barnett Cooper, 41, a hosier, Hebrew, last residence: London, born in Breslau, Germany
nearest relative in England: brother M Cooper, 8 Compayne Gardens, Hampstead
destination: brother Mark Cooper, 1998 Clairmont, Detroit, Michigan
accompanied by wife Sarah and 4 children including oldest son Hyman Augustus

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1930 Census
at 5832 Sansom, Philadelphia
Barnet Cooper, Sarah, and 4 children

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So that puts Mark's parents in Breslau, Germany/Poland, in 1883. I don't remember who ruled Poland in 1883, but I know it went back and forth between Germany and Russia a few times. So the parents being "Russian" would not be a contradiction. Or they were originally from further east in Poland and under Russian rule. You'd have to get into a history of Poland in the 2nd half of the 19th C. to find out.

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Chances are very good that if the records survived you can find Hyman and Anna (Rotstein?) Kipperhoor in Poland/Germany/Russia. Jewish genealogy research is fantastic.


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Re: MARK COOPER - DETROIT, MICHIGAN (also England)
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 24 January 21 02:54 GMT (UK) »
cousin or another? mishearing of Anna's maiden name?

KIPPERHOOR, AARON    mmn:    GOLDSTEIN     
GRO Reference: 1893  J Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN  Volume 01C  Page 453

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cousins?

KIPPERHOOR, ESTHER   mmn:     VEINIK     
GRO Reference: 1894  D Quarter in ST GEORGE IN THE EAST  Volume 01C  Page 380

KEPPERHERE, JANE   mmn:     BRUMBACK     
GRO Reference: 1893  S Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN  Volume 01C  Page 437

brother of Jane whose mother's maiden name was "Bromback"?
KEPPERHERE, MORRIS   mmn:     BROMBERG     
GRO Reference: 1895  J Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN  Volume 01C  Page 482  Occasional Copy: A