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Dorset - 1891 Census Look-Up - Sarah Jane (Guy) ?
« on: Wednesday 20 January 21 09:01 GMT (UK) »
I've spent quite some time looking for a Harry A G Crumpler b.1891 Wareham, Dorset as found on the 1901 census for a Joshua David Crumpler and Sarah Jane Guy. Finding no birth or death records for said child, I started wondering if he was indeed a Crumpler and not a baseborn child of Sarah Jane Guy. Which led me to a Harry Andrew Guy born in 1889 to a William and Sarah Jane Guy.

Which threw my whole family tree into confusion because I had assumed Sarah Jane was born Guy, but if she'd married William Guy, then perhaps not. So now I'm trying to find an 1891 census entry for a William Guy, with Sarah Jane as his wife and Harry Andrew as their son, somewhat fruitlessly.

Could someone please check if there is an entry for the above family.?

Thank you.
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Re: Dorset - 1891 Census Look-Up - Sarah Jane (Guy) ?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 January 21 09:55 GMT (UK) »
Harry Andrew Guy was registered in Wareham District - March quarter 1890 - no mother's maiden name given.

Joshua Crumpler married Sarah Guy - September quarter 1894 - Wareham District



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Re: Dorset - 1891 Census Look-Up - Sarah Jane (Guy) ?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 20 January 21 09:58 GMT (UK) »
1901 entry.
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1901&indiv=try&h=11157359

Above marriage date explains the relative gap in the kids.
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Re: Dorset - 1891 Census Look-Up - Sarah Jane (Guy) ?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 20 January 21 10:01 GMT (UK) »
RG12/1643/F15/p23
Church Street, Lady St Marys, Wareham
William Guy Head Widower 49 Ag Lab Wareham
George Guy brother Widower 54 Ag Lab Wareham
Sarah Guy daughter single 19 Wareham
Louisa Guy daughter single 15 Wareham
Harry Guy son 1 Wareham

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Re: Dorset - 1891 Census Look-Up - Sarah Jane (Guy) ?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 20 January 21 10:02 GMT (UK) »
1891 - Wareham - RG12/1643 folio 15 page 23

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WZ8H-ZZM

Harry shown as son of William Guy and Sarah is also in the household as daughter of William, who is a widower.


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Re: Dorset - 1891 Census Look-Up - Sarah Jane (Guy) ?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 20 January 21 10:09 GMT (UK) »
Sarah was the daughter of William and Elizabeth GUY, Elizabeth died in 1884.
Either in error or design Harry is recorded as son of William instead of grandson in the 1891 census. Quite common for an illegitimate grandchild to be recorded as child of grandparents in a census.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
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Re: Dorset - 1891 Census Look-Up - Sarah Jane (Guy) ?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 20 January 21 10:19 GMT (UK) »
There is a transcription of a baptism for Harry Andrew Guy 25 Jan 1891 Wareham , son of William and Sarah Jane Guy in Select Dorset Church of England Parish Registers 1538 -1999. This transcription is contradicted by the entry in the Parish Register which originally read :

Harry Andrew son of William and Sarah Jane Guy of Church Lane , labourer. 25 Jan 1891

The words " Andrew" , "William " , and "labourer" have all been crossed through by the Vicar and the alteration is signed by him and noted " amended by me Feb 22 1891 ".
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Re: Dorset - 1891 Census Look-Up - Sarah Jane (Guy) ?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 20 January 21 10:43 GMT (UK) »
The marriage of Sarah GUY to Joshua CRUMPLER took place at St. Mary, Wareham 22nd September 1894. Joshua was son of Thomas Gilbert CRUPMLER, labourer, deceased.
Sarah daughter of William GUY, labourer.
Witnesses Harry MEADEN & Louisa GUY (Sarah’s sister) all signed.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Dorset - 1891 Census Look-Up - Sarah Jane (Guy) ?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 20 January 21 13:54 GMT (UK) »
@BumbleB, @emeltom, @PaulineJ, @Jebber, @Christine53 - This is all fantastic thank you. And thank you BumbleB and PaulineJ for the links. Very pleased that I don't have to start again from scratch with my 'Guy' branch...  I'd assumed that Harry was baseborn, but the entry with William as his father threw me...

Good to know Harry is the grandson, not the son..

Thank you all so much for your help. It's been greatly appreciated.  :)
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