Searching for info on O'Brien sometimes known as Brown Wolfe St around 1871

[Fruityloop]

I am looking for information/help finding William O'Brien born 1844 in Liverpool - also used the name Brown on some census's
He married a Maria Audley in 1971 when they were both living in Wolfe Street
I am trying to find his descendants in order to solve a mystery for a newly found cousin who is trying to trace who her father is
TIA

Paula

[PaulineJ]

Starting at basics

Age at marriage, occupation(s),fathers names, DATE of marriage , and witness names.
(So before the census of that year or after)

And you say he also went by Brown? When, where and on what was that?

Pauline

[cath151]

Hi Fruitloop,
Welcome to Rootschat
Marriage cert gives following info
Married 12th June 1871 Toxteth
William O Brien aged 27 Bach  Mariner  23 Woolfe Street   father John O Brien  ..Mariner
Maria Audley     aged  23 Spinster        35 Woolfe Street    father  Charles Audley  Ships Carpenter

Witnesses Charles Audley and Elizabet Warwick

Did find a couple of O Briens in Woolfe Street in 1871 but no proof if they are connected
Margaret O Brien aged 21 and son nicholas aged 18 months

Cathy

[CaroleW]

Welcome from me too

As your newly found cousin is still alive and looking for her father - was she illegitimate?    Did she ever know anything about her father?

If not - how does she link to William O'Brien & Maria Audley

[CaroleW]

All surname O'Brien with mmn Audley

Frances Emily  Sept qtr 1872
William Henry Sept qtr 1874
Maria Louisa Dec qtr 1876
Charles Brown March qtr 1879
Alice Jane Sept qtr 1881
Mary Ellen Sept qtr 1883

1881 ref is RG11/3636/100/39

[softly softly]

Are you wanting to take the family back before 1844 .

John

[Fruityloop]

Hello everyone and thank you all for taking the time to answer

My cousin is still alive and yes she was illegitimate - unfortunately she knows nothing of her father. We are DNA matches on Ancestry as 2nd cousin once removed and all other DNA matches to her are on my maternal side on the O'Brien line.

William Brown O'Brien (1844) is my 2nd Great Grandfather - I have been told that he changed his name from O'Brien to Brown and I have found the family on the 1891 census using the name Brown (ref RG12/2930/64/6) with a Sarah Ann Brown (1887) and Ada Brown (1890)

And I would love to try and find ancestors before 1844 - we have been told William's father was Irish and changed his name to Brown and came to England due to some trouble as he was pro British, but not sure thats 100% true

Any help would be much appreciated

Paula

[CaroleW]

we have been told William's father was Irish and changed his name to Brown and came to England due to some trouble as he was pro British, but not sure thats 100% true

Doubtful about that - why would his children be O'Brien?

These are all the births in Liverpool between 1843-1845 with mothers maiden name

O'BRIEN, WILLIAM        DAWSON     1843  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 509
O'BRIEN, WILLIAM        MCCARTEN     1843  D Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 353
O'BRIEN, WILLIAM        MCKENNA     1845  J Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 20  Page 366
O'BRIEN, WILLIAM        KEEGAN             1845  D Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 310
   
   

[softly softly]

Carole, had a quick look at this post last night but wanted to see if op wanted to go back first. With regard to William a possible contender for his birth is the mq 1843 mmn Dawson. Believe he had a sister Mary Ellen sq 1841 mmn Dawson.

Possible parents marriage 3.8.1838 St James Walton on the Hill.

John O'Brien full age, bachelor, occ MARINER, father John OBrien dec, he signed

Sarah Dawson full age, spinster, father Joseph Dawson, dec.

John

added, William himself had a daughter Mary Ellen!