Eliza Ann Trinder (1830-1874)- brick wall

[PaulineJ]

You've been given the MMN of John Samuel. See post 2

[IgorStrav]

@vivienhoe
yes, they are children of JTT. I think that settles it to some extent, but the fact remains, it seems as if JTT and Eliza Priest had a few children before marriage and even put themselves down as husband and wife in 1851 even though they weren't married. Have you ever seen something like this happen before?

Very very common indeed for couples to have children ahead of marriage, or even not to marry at all  (many examples in my tree) and also to call themselves 'married' for the purpose of the census, for registrations of their children, and for baptisms too.

[FrancisGrn]

Hi all,
I think we can call this one solved
Thanks so much 
Francis

[jonw65]

I think we can call this one solved

Yes, but some mystery remains? A possible candidate for Sarah Osmotherly was baptized 22 April 1832, Lambeth.
Father James. Mother Ann.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99XQ-PXVF

Had younger brother James William.
Making her 15 on marriage, if her Said she was of full age, father James William.

Living in Gt Lemon Court in 1841. Sarah age 9.
piece 1057 book 7 folio 16 page 27
Good image on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHK-M3G5-K71Q

[jonw65]

Re the 1849 Poplar death.
A marriage, 30 April 1849, St Anne Limehouse
William Trinder, Mariner, father Richard Shaw Trinder, Cooper
+
Sarah Brisley, father Charles Brisley, Dead
Both full age

A birth, Dec 1849
TRINDER, WILLIAM       
Mother's Maiden Surname: BRISLEY 
GRO Reference: 1849  D Quarter in POPLAR UNION  Volume 02  Page 359

That death of a Sarah in the same quarter
Dec 1849 Poplar 2 269
Trinder, Sarah
age 22

Burial at Poplar All Saints, 12 Dec 1849, Sarah Trinder, age 22

Death
June 1853 Poplar 1c 430
Trinder, William
age 3

Buried at All Saints, 30 June 1853
Can he be found in 1851?
William Trinder the mariner (father Richard Shaw Trinder) seems to have married again in Bermondsey in 1858, but said he was a bachelor!

A possible Sarah Brisley in Poplar in 1841, age 14.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQVZ-4Y6

Is she the Sarah Trinder who died in 1849 age 22?

William Trinder, born 16 Aug 1824
Baptized 5 Nov 1828, Chatham, Kent
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRYV-826

FreeReg says born 18 Aug. Image probably will be on CityArk
Father Richard, a Cooper. Mother Harriet

1851, Bromley St Leonard
piece 1555 folio 341 page 7
William Trinder, 25, born Chatham
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG5Y-BDW

Visiting Richard and Mary Trinder. Says he is a widower.
Could be the man who married Sarah Brisley in 1849.

[jonw65]

An 1848 Lambeth record seems to say that John Trinder's wife was Eliza? A mistake?
John Trinder, 25, of Lemon Court, Costermonger. In workhouse.

Father Thomas Trinder apparently the son of James and Maria (according to the man himself) Was cohabiting with the widow Frances Watson.

[jonw65]

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