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No mother or father's names on marriage certificate, or ages!
« on: Thursday 21 January 21 00:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi all, thank you for opening. I've just obtained a marriage certificate from 1862 and to my bewilderment, there is no first names provided at all for the parents, only the surnames! I have attached a picture.
There is also no ages listed either which is unhelpful  :(
Can anyone tell me why on earth the parents are not on it? I am so confused!  ???

Also, I note that Ann Thomson, it says "Living in/with family". What does that mean?

Could anyone also decipher the "Where" part of the marriage?

I am sorry for so many questions, thank you so much in advance if you are able to help me!

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Re: No mother or father's names on marriage certificate, or ages!
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 21 January 21 00:46 GMT (UK) »
How frustrating!

I think her place is

Port of Ness, Barvas.  (Isle of Lewis)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Ness

His looks like Knochard but am having trouble finding a similar place.   Parish looks to be the same?

Added. Perhaps Knockaird

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knockaird

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Re: No mother or father's names on marriage certificate, or ages!
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 21 January 21 00:50 GMT (UK) »
1862 February Eleventh at Manse ... South Dell (?) After Banns according to the Forms of the Free Church of Scotland.

I think the christian names and mothers’ maiden names were there, but they have faded out.

I think that ‘living in family’ simply means that she wasn’t employed and residing with folks/a family. It does seem an odd thing to say.

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Re: No mother or father's names on marriage certificate, or ages!
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 21 January 21 01:03 GMT (UK) »
Other marriage should be visible on this page 9. Are ages.....names of parents recorded similarly?


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Re: No mother or father's names on marriage certificate, or ages!
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 21 January 21 01:18 GMT (UK) »
I have increased the contrast of the file posted - it looks like the faint marks are bleed through from another page. Could it be the couple were orphans, with little memory of their parents?

Farrell  - Ayrshire
Cairns - Ayrshire
McCann - Ayrshire
Brown - Ayrshire
Petty - Yorkshire, Durham
Lucas - Staffordshire, Durham
Whitaker - Yorkshire
Thackrah - Yorkshire
Stephenson - Durham
Marshall - Yorkshire
Walker - Staffordshire, Southland New Zealand
McCullough -  Antrim, Southland New Zealand,
Cavanagh - Galway, Southland New Zealand
Anthony - Tipperary, Southland New Zealand
Bath - Cornwall, Tasmania, Southland
Brungot - Alesund, Norway; Southland
Bonthron - Fifeshire, Southland

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Re: No mother or father's names on marriage certificate, or ages!
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 21 January 21 01:23 GMT (UK) »
Of course he may not have been born in Barvas, but I see only one Norman in 1841:

086/A 2/ 7 Barvas Ross and Cromarty

Catherine 80
John 60
Christian 40
Farquhar 20
Catherine 15
Niel 15
Mary 12
Donald 8
Norman 6
Christian 2

What are the names of the children born to Norman and Ann Thomson?

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Atkinson; Badier; Cameron; Grant; Howie; Jardine; Jenkins; Kerr; Lawardorn; Lee; Linton; Lonie; McConnell; Morgan; Morrison; Murphy; O'Leary; Paton; Pratt; Robb; Williams

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Re: No mother or father's names on marriage certificate, or ages!
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 21 January 21 01:24 GMT (UK) »
The place of marriage looks like "Manse Ness South Dell".
Farrell  - Ayrshire
Cairns - Ayrshire
McCann - Ayrshire
Brown - Ayrshire
Petty - Yorkshire, Durham
Lucas - Staffordshire, Durham
Whitaker - Yorkshire
Thackrah - Yorkshire
Stephenson - Durham
Marshall - Yorkshire
Walker - Staffordshire, Southland New Zealand
McCullough -  Antrim, Southland New Zealand,
Cavanagh - Galway, Southland New Zealand
Anthony - Tipperary, Southland New Zealand
Bath - Cornwall, Tasmania, Southland
Brungot - Alesund, Norway; Southland
Bonthron - Fifeshire, Southland

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Re: No mother or father's names on marriage certificate, or ages!
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 21 January 21 01:40 GMT (UK) »
Only 2 Ann’s in 1861 and the second can be ruled out. The first isn’t with other Thomson’s, so you need to look at the actual census.

086/A 9/ 3 Barvas Ross and Cromarty
Ann 24

086/A 8/ 22 Barvas Ross and Cromarty
Janet 80
John 42
Ann 37
Murdo 12
Donald 9
John 7
Norman 0

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Re: No mother or father's names on marriage certificate, or ages!
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 21 January 21 01:51 GMT (UK) »
The place of marriage looks like "Manse Ness South Dell".

The manse: https://www.buildingsatrisk.org.uk/details/891065

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Atkinson; Badier; Cameron; Grant; Howie; Jardine; Jenkins; Kerr; Lawardorn; Lee; Linton; Lonie; McConnell; Morgan; Morrison; Murphy; O'Leary; Paton; Pratt; Robb; Williams