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Townland Maynaugh, County Cavan
« on: Saturday 23 January 21 19:00 GMT (UK) »
My wife Noreen Dorothy Cullen is trying to find her roots in Ireland. She has done a lot of work and identified her family in the US. We run into a dead-end with her great-grandfather.

Patrick Joseph Cullen
18271893
BIRTH 1827 Townland, Maynaugh, Ireland
DEATH 24 JUL 1893 Menlo Park, San Mateo Co, California, USA

The furthest back we can find is the 1860 U.S. Census where he was in Allegheny County Pennsylvania with an Edward Cullen. The information above is from his tombstone. The date of his birth could be off by as much as seven years. It is probably 1827 1834. The largest problem is that we cannot find the location of his birth. Does anyone know where Townland, Maynaugh is and where the town records can be accessed? There are many Patrick Joseph Cullens and because his birth date is uncertain, we are at a dead-end. We would appreciate any help.

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Re: Townland Maynaugh, County Cavan
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 27 January 21 12:26 GMT (UK) »
It looks like the gravestone is saying he was born in the townland of Maynuagh, Co. Cavan. A town is entirely different (google 'Irish townlands' for more information).

I can't see Maynaugh in Cavan- closest on SeanRuad's site is Manragh Upper & Manragh Lower (Killinagh civil parish) which are in Enniskillen Poor Law Union/Registration District. However, civil registration of births, deaths & Catholic marriages didn't start until 1864 (non-Catholic marriages from 1845) so you'll need to check church records.
https://www.townlands.ie/cavan/tullyhaw/killinagh/tuam/manragh-lower/
https://www.townlands.ie/cavan/tullyhaw/killinagh/tuam/manragh-upper/

If, and this is if, his birthplace was Manragh then it looks like the online registers start too late and there are records much earlier-
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0840
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0840&parish=Killinagh

Perhaps someone with local knowledge will be able to help.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Townland Maynaugh, County Cavan
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 27 January 21 23:54 GMT (UK) »
As a possibility, note the neighbouring townlands of Moynagh Upper and Moynagh Lower in the civil parish of Drumlumman:
https://www.townlands.ie/cavan/clanmahon/drumlumman/kilgolagh/moynagh-upper/
https://www.townlands.ie/cavan/clanmahon/drumlumman/kilgolagh/moynagh-lower/

The tithe applotment books show a Jas. (James) Cullen in Upper Moynagh in 1824 (top of left page):
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587435/004587435_00076.pdf

If you want to search/browse the tithe applotment books, the webpage is here:
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp

Townlands with the same first name, but qualified with Upper or Lower (or other qualifications like Beg or More... or North or South), sometimes reflect a historical split from one larger townland or area.  I have encountered many instances of folk citing just the first name of a townland in records, without the qualification.  Just a thought.

Edited to add: Click on 'View text records' in the link below, to see some of the archival record names for this townland: 
https://www.logainm.ie/en/5640?s=Moynagh+Upper



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Re: Townland Maynaugh, County Cavan
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 17 March 21 23:12 GMT (UK) »
Gaffy,  thank you very much for your reply. I'm sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Happy St. Patrick's Day. My wife Noreen is cooking corned beef and cabbage for dinner.we are retired in Southern California. We have both gotten our second COVID vaccination which is a big relief. We spent some time with our grandchildren we have been avoiding almost a year. We would take them to visit Ireland if we can find the family home. Your clue for James Cullen in Upper Moynaugh seems important. I'm not sure how to follow this up, but I am trying.  Using ancestry.com the US, I have found Patrick Joseph Cullen in the Allegheny County Pennsylvania Census in 1860. There was also and Edward Cullen, but I have not seen any evidence of relationship. I was able to find a naturalization document, wedding information, birth of children and their move to Redwood City California in 1873 or 1874. The Census originally asked only for age and in 1860 his age was reported as 28 which implied he was born in 1832. The 1880 census gave his age as 40 which implies that he was born in 1840, which must be wrong. His tombstone says says in 1893 when he died he was 66 years old which implies he was born in each 27. This uncertainty makes searching very difficult. We have found some DNA matches on MyHeritage that cannot be explained by other known family members and I am trying to contact them. If I can find the Cullen family in upper Moynaugh and see if they had a child or cousin Patrick Joseph Cullen, that would be the best way to triangulate this. Any suggestions you have would be welcome.  Carl Kukkonen