Trying to find a birth record circa 1870 cork city

[bean]

Hi all,

I'm trying to find any records relating to the birth of John Twomey, info I've found so far:
He married Ellen McCann in 1909 in Newry listing his father as Francis Twomey.
In the 1911 census he lists his birth place as City of Cork (hence posting on this board)
And that's it, I can't find any records for a birth with Francis as a father - indeed I can't find many records of a Francis Twomey at all (his marriage would be a real bonus!) so, having hunted for this for quite some time I've realised I need help/advice and that's where you knowledgeable lot come in.

In hope, Bean

[ballydw]

Hi all,

I'm trying to find any records relating to the birth of John Twomey, info I've found so far:
He married Ellen McCann in 1909 in Newry listing his father as Francis Twomey.
In the 1911 census he lists his birth place as City of Cork (hence posting on this board)
And that's it, I can't find any records for a birth with Francis as a father - indeed I can't find many records of a Francis Twomey at all (his marriage would be a real bonus!) so, having hunted for this for quite some time I've realised I need help/advice and that's where you knowledgeable lot come in.

In hope, Bean

Do you have John on 1901 Census? His marriage record records him as age 38 so born circa 1871. Have you looked for birth on www.irishgenealogy.ie Civil Records you could try from 1868 to 1872. While he stated Cork City on marriage it could have been in County as he probably grew up in the city maybe. His father Francis Twomey is recorded as a Liveryman on marriage record have you tried 1901 census for him or a Death in same site?

[bean]

Hi - thanks for your reply

I've found Johns death (Newry) but can't be sure I've found him in 1901 census and there's no sign of Francis in either 1901 or 1911 census.
I've tried civil records but, again, no sign of Johns birth with Francis as the father.
That's a good idea to widen it to Cork as a whole - I've perhaps been too focussed on Cork City as that seemed to be the one solid clue I had.

Thanks again for your advice

[oldkingkole]

John's  father's full name maybe JAMES Francis.
Two children are listed as born to John Twomey and Ellen McCann in Newry
Margaret  10 June 1911
James      13 April 1914  (on cert as James Francis,
likely to have received his paternal grandfather's name ? )

[Kiltaglassan]

Here are the links-

Margaret Anne
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01533/1621544.pdf

James Francis
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01415/1581712.pdf

Concur with oldkingkole about his father maybe called James Francis.


KG

[bean]

I didn't even think of that 
Children are right ones so that's another avenue for me to think about.

Thanks all, much appreciated - this line is the one giving me the most headaches

[bean]

Thanks again for all the advice offered previously, I was thinking about all this again in the early hours...........
On Johns marriage (civil) record in the Registrars book of marriages it states his father as being Francis - would it have been legal to do so if his name was really 'Another' Francis rather than just Francis or could he just have put what he was known as?

[aghadowey]

Information on certificates depends on what informant states and no proof was required. It;s not at all uncommon to find people listed under various names in different records.