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Re: Bridal pregnancies?
« Reply #45 on: Sunday 08 January 23 08:04 GMT (UK) »
There are many cases of people marrying soon after being widowed wether with or without children

It was an advantage for a man to get married
Not just for the cooking + the legitimate sex !

Some of the men who married a pregnant woman may not have known that they would be taking on another man's child

Only DNA can show whether the biological ancestor was the husband or another man .

I have a few cases where widowers with married their housekeepers .
In one case a child born to the couple before marriage was then legitimised but also the housekeeper s previous daughter came to live in household as " neice"and after the husband's death was acknowledged  as daughter of the widow on the next census
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Re: Bridal pregnancies?
« Reply #46 on: Sunday 08 January 23 14:01 GMT (UK) »


Some of the men who married a pregnant woman may not have known that they would be taking on another man's child

Only DNA can show whether the biological ancestor was the husband or another man .


Out of 100% I wonder how common that was for the man to marry a pregnant woman but was not the father of the child, either through the fact she had slept with more than one man at around the time of conception etc? I am hoping that was the exception rather than the rule.

Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Bridal pregnancies?
« Reply #47 on: Tuesday 10 January 23 12:12 GMT (UK) »
There was also a knobstick wedding, which is where the parish overseers and officials forced the pregnant single woman to marry the man known or believed to be the father. I think shotgun weddings was where the father of the pregnant woman made the man who was the father or was believed to have done the deed to marry the mother.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Bridal pregnancies?
« Reply #48 on: Tuesday 10 January 23 13:15 GMT (UK) »
There was an old Manx Law, that stated that a woman pregnant because of rape or violation, would be offered a ring, a sword and a rope.
It was then her choice as to punishment - marriage, beheading or hanging.

The Law dated from 1577.
(source: A Second Manx Scrapbook by WW Gill, 1932)
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Re: Bridal pregnancies?
« Reply #49 on: Tuesday 10 January 23 21:42 GMT (UK) »
Having looked at dates of marriage of ancestors and siblings in my own tree, it was very common for the bride to be pregnant anyway. They estimate about 30% of brides were pregnant in the 1700s and 1800s.

I also have a marriage on the 4th May 1913 in rural Suffolk, and their first child born the following day.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Bridal pregnancies?
« Reply #50 on: Wednesday 11 January 23 08:38 GMT (UK) »
KG. I wonder how many false accusation cases there were on Manx
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If marriage was chosen could it later be annulled or ended in divorce .
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Re: Bridal pregnancies?
« Reply #51 on: Wednesday 11 January 23 09:17 GMT (UK) »
KG. I wonder how many false accusation cases there were on Manx
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If marriage was chosen could it later be annulled or ended in divorce .

Firstly, the "ring, rope, sword" punishment was the result of a court case.
Secondly, just as in England, divorce was never an option for the vast majority of people.
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Re: Bridal pregnancies?
« Reply #52 on: Monday 16 January 23 20:04 GMT (UK) »
My wife's parents were married 23 hours before she was born, as the first child, in 1953.   

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« Reply #53 on: Wednesday 18 January 23 13:56 GMT (UK) »
Also you wonder how many times a couple married due to a pregnancy but the bride then had a miscarriage or stillbirth, and the seemingly first child was born over a year after the marriage, it was only the first surviving child, or even a woman thought she was pregnant but it was a false alarm, as Jack Duckworth in Coronation Street said about his 1957 marriage. "flaming false alarm" he said.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain