Ladners in Horsham around 1900 - railway connection

[winona]

Would anyone have any details about the people in this photo - era when photo was taken.

Believed to be people from the Ladners family.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=843619.msg7103733#msg7103733

[jim1]

Looks like a brand new engine sitting on a turntable & the "key" is being handed to the driver.
Men dressed like this over a long period but typically 1880's/1890's.
A train enthusiast may be able to date the engine.

[hanes teulu]

Deleted - I was in the "wrong" Horsham!

[AJ100]

The locomotive, by the cab and cowcatcher, is North American dating from around 1860-70. If Jim's date of 1880's to 90's is correct then the loco is obviously not new
Regards
AJ

[mazi]

I think the loco is Australian, from Victoria state railways, made in the uk, it is a typical 0-6-0 goods engine from one of the private loco builders, the cab, lights, cow catcher, etc. may have been added in australia but the Westinghouse brake pump and piping would be from the original build.

Just arrived on the docks, maybe?

One British builder that comes to mind is the Vulcan foundry.

Date maybe 1870s 1880s

Mike

[tomkin]

 I would say Australian about 1880/90. There is a similar engine in an Australian Railway

   Museum built 1888. Unfortunately the video I saw didn't allow for a good view.

    This is a model I finished recently of the 'Jupiter' built in New York, U.S.A. in 1888.

     You can see the Engine in the posting has many American influences.

[tomkin]

 I've a suspicion that the engine was made at the Pheonix Works in Ballarat nr. Victoria.

     Which I think is near Horsham If that is so then the picture could be a handing over

     ceremony or a completion.  Again a pure guess and speculation

             Do any census records detail any Landers working there?

[mazi]

The Victoria state museum won’t let me see large photos, but does say that in the late 1800s in collaboration with Kitson of Leeds (uk) a range of standard engines was starting to be produced.

As the request is for dating I think this is more likely to be 1890s possibly a bit later as the Australian steel industry did not kick off until 1901, all steel being imported before then.

Mike

[sparrett]

This link to OP's original query in Australia.

The name sought is LADNER not LADNERS.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=843619.0

Yes, there were people named LADNER in Ballarat in the 1890's.

LADNER of Ballarat. House destroyed by fire. 1893
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/44114523

William LADNER Insolvent of Young St Ballarat. 1896
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8902486

The 1903 Victorian electoral Roll shows the name LADNER, Charles, William and others with occupation as miners. At a glance, I do not see a railways connection.

You can search newspapers here.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/

Sue