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Kinneigh, County Cork
« on: Sunday 31 January 21 19:42 GMT (UK) »
Hello all

I'm trying to confirm the date and place of birth of my great great grandmother Martha Welply, born in County Cork, Ireland in the 1820s. The normal family history sites all show a birth on 24th April 1823 in Macroom, but I'm not convinced, given that her father was a farmer 20 miles away in Kinneigh and her siblings were born there. And I'm not aware of any family link with Macroom.

The www.paulturner.ca site shows a family tree with a baptismal record for Martha in Kinneigh on 6th September 1820, but the transcribed register on the same site doesn't show any such entry.   

What should I make of this? Has the transcription maybe omitted this one entry? Or has somebody just invented it, and if so why?

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Re: Kinneigh, County Cork
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 31 January 21 19:47 GMT (UK) »
Who was her father?
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Re: Kinneigh, County Cork
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 31 January 21 21:49 GMT (UK) »
William Welply, 1795-1852. Apparently a farmer in Kinneigh according to the Paul Turner website.


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Re: Kinneigh, County Cork
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 31 January 21 22:18 GMT (UK) »
According to this site the Kinneigh Church of Ireland records were lost  :-\

https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers/ParishRegisters/PARISHREGISTERS.pdf
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Re: Kinneigh, County Cork
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 31 January 21 23:23 GMT (UK) »
I am sure you have this information but it may help others

Here is Martha’s marriage. Her residence at the time of marriage is ‘Inniskane’ (Enniskeen).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1852/09427/5414821.pdf

Sarah Welply marriage 1845 - father William Welply, farmer
Residence - Rushfield , parish of Kinneigh.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1845/09287/5362461.pdf

Griffiths valuation (1850s) shows William Welpley at Rushfield. Depending on the year, this could be father or son if there was a son William. I have used the Paul Turner site as you seem to use that.
https://paulturner.ca/Ireland/Cork/Griffiths/gk-q-z.htm

Civil records began in 1864 but Church of Ireland marriages are from 1845

There is also James Burchill, widower, marriage to Eliza Welply, father William
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1863/09655/5501521.pdf


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Re: Kinneigh, County Cork
« Reply #5 on: Monday 01 February 21 08:13 GMT (UK) »
for other members to see
https://gw.geneanet.org/cousinjeanne?lang=en&pz=joan+marie&nz=gross&p=william&n=welply
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https://gw.geneanet.org/cousinjeanne?n=welply&oc=&p=martha
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James Orr Welply is the brother of Martha Welply
I wonder if Joan Doughty - the tree owner is aware of your Martha Welply ??  out of interest - was Martha - Martha Orr Welply -did she get her mothers maiden name as James Orr Welply did ??
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Re: Kinneigh, County Cork
« Reply #6 on: Monday 01 February 21 10:12 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for all your replies.

The Martha Welply who is my ancestor was apparently just called Martha, without her mother's maiden name Orr which may perhaps have been given to sons but not daughters. I'm saying this on the basis of her marriage certificate dated 1852, which confirms her father's name. To be honest I've not researched Martha's siblings. Incidentally I'm thinking that her residence at the time of her marriage was Enniskeane which is only 3 or 4 miles from Kinneigh.

I'd not seen the Church of Ireland list, which has two entries for Kinneigh, one showing that the records were lost while the other says that some records (maybe roughly those copied on the Paul Turner site) are at RCB under ref PC51. If I'm right, I'm assuming we need to wait till visits to the RCB are allowed before we can check for thye supposed 1820 Martha baptism?

As for the 1863 marriage mentioned below, Martha died in childbirth in 1862, and her widower James Orr Burchill then married her sister Eliza in 1863.