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Looking for birth of Ann Ramsay in Pathhead, Fife
« on: Tuesday 02 February 21 00:20 GMT (UK) »
I'm trying to find the baptism or birth record for my ancestor Ann Ramsay, who married James MacDonald in 1865 in Arbroath, Angus. They were Catholic.

Census records say she was born around 1843 in Pathhead, Fife, and her marriage record lists her parents as James Ramsay and Ann Low. So far, I haven't been able to find her baptism record or any earlier census records before marriage.

I would appreciate any help with this. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Looking for birth of Ann Ramsay in Pathhead, Fife
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 02 February 21 02:15 GMT (UK) »
There should be more information on the marriage certificate.

Can you list all the information on the certificate.....ages....occupations.......addresses......witnesses......

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Re: Looking for birth of Ann Ramsay in Pathhead, Fife
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 02 February 21 02:35 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: wivenhoe on Tuesday 02 February 21 02:15 GMT (UK)
There should be more information on the marriage certificate.

Can you list all the information on the certificate.....ages....occupations.......addresses......witnesses......

31st July 1865

James MacDonald, general laborer. Age 31, bachelor.

Ann Ramsay, Flax Spinning Mill Worker. Aged 22.

Parents:

James MacDonald, farmer in Tyrone, deceased. Mary O'Neill deceased.

James Ramsay, weaver in Pathhead, deceased. Ann Ramsay M.S. Low.

Both bride and groom were residing at 24 Hamilton Green Arbroath.

Witnesses Joseph and Margaret Collins.
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Ormond, Salmond, Cook, MacDonald

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Re: Looking for birth of Ann Ramsay in Pathhead, Fife
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 02 February 21 07:46 GMT (UK) »

Which MACDONALD is your ancestor / research person of interest?

Is this your MACDONALD family?

Census Scotland  1871   1 Church St Arbroath Angus
MACDONALD James      38y  masons labourer          b. Ireland
MACDONALD Ann         28y                                    b. Peterhead Arbroath
MACDONALD Margaret  4y                                      b. St Vigeans, Forfarshire
MACDONALD James       3y                                     b. Arbroath, Forfarshire
MACDONALD William      6m                                   b. Arbroath, Forfarshire


Census Scotland  1871        at 21 Smithy Croft Arbroath Angus
COLLINS Bridget     56y   head                            b. Ireland
COLLINS Joseph     33y    son   factory worker      b. Dundee
COLLINS Ann          15y   dau   factory worker      b. St Vigeans, Forfarshire

Census Scotland 1881         at 21 Smithy Croft Arbroath Angus
McDONALD  James     48y   general labourer           b. Ireland
McDONALD Ann          40y                                     b. Pathhead, Fifeshire
McDONALD Mary        14y   mill worker                   b. Arbroath Angus
McDONALD James      13y   app. rope maker           b. Arbroath Angus
McDONALD William     10y  scholar                         b. Arbroath Angus
McDONALD James        7y  scholar                         b. Arbroath Angus
McDONALD Helen         5y                                     b. Arbroath Angus
McDONALD Peter          1y                                     b. Arbroath Angus

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Re: Looking for birth of Ann Ramsay in Pathhead, Fife
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 02 February 21 08:54 GMT (UK) »
Using Scotlandspeople

Baptism.....Roman Catholic......Arbroath.....1865 - 1875......
finds baptisms for Mary   MACDONALD   born  21 May 1866
                          James  MACDONALD   born 13 Mar 1868
                          William MACDONALD  born 25 Sep 1870

all baptized 6 Feb 1871   St Thomas Arbroath.  Names of godparents are useful....often close family so you might find a RAMSAY

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Re: Looking for birth of Ann Ramsay in Pathhead, Fife
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 02 February 21 11:02 GMT (UK) »
From previous research , Pathhead could be Dysart Fife.
Ancestry has an Ann Ramsay(born 1845 Dysart) , with parents James and Ann , living Angus in 1851.
This entry doesn't seem to be on FreeCEN so can't see further details.


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Re: Looking for birth of Ann Ramsay in Pathhead, Fife
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 02 February 21 16:00 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: ev on Tuesday 02 February 21 11:02 GMT (UK)
From previous research , Pathhead could be Dysart Fife.
Ancestry has an Ann Ramsay(born 1845 Dysart) , with parents James and Ann , living Angus in 1851.
This entry doesn't seem to be on FreeCEN so can't see further details.
Dundee Road, Forfar: James Ramsay, 50; wife Ann, 30; James, 10; Ann, 6; David, 1. All born Dysart, Fife except David, born Forfar.

There are at least two Pathheads in Fife. One is between Kirkcaldy and Dysart, in the parish of Dysart. https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15&lat=56.12174&lon=-3.14469&layers=5&b=1

The other is in the parish of Dunino. https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=56.29156&lon=-2.75065&layers=5&b=1
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Re: Looking for birth of Ann Ramsay in Pathhead, Fife
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 02 February 21 16:43 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Forfarian on Tuesday 02 February 21 16:00 GMT (UK)
Quote from: ev on Tuesday 02 February 21 11:02 GMT (UK)
From previous research , Pathhead could be Dysart Fife.
Ancestry has an Ann Ramsay(born 1845 Dysart) , with parents James and Ann , living Angus in 1851.
This entry doesn't seem to be on FreeCEN so can't see further details.
Dundee Road, Forfar: James Ramsay, 50; wife Ann, 30; James, 10; Ann, 6; David, 1. All born Dysart, Fife except David, born Forfar.

There are at least two Pathheads in Fife. One is between Kirkcaldy and Dysart, in the parish of Dysart. https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15&lat=56.12174&lon=-3.14469&layers=5&b=1

The other is in the parish of Dunino. https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=56.29156&lon=-2.75065&layers=5&b=1

Thanks very much for this. I'm guessing it was the one in Dysart because it is a much bigger settlement. The other appears to merely be a farmstead, and the census seems to support it being in Dysart. I seem to have found a likely birth for James Ramsey in 1799 to another James Ramsey and Barbara Scot.
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Ward, Campbell, Cowin, Cowell, Parry, Fryer, Davies, Hughes, Briscoe, Jones, Spencer, Brownbill, Crowfoot, Nield, Randles, Youde

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Apap / De Apapis, Camilleri, Grech, Muscat, Micallef, Custo, De Nasi

Angus, Scotland:

Ormond, Salmond, Cook, MacDonald

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Re: Looking for birth of Ann Ramsay in Pathhead, Fife
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 02 February 21 19:04 GMT (UK) »
From the info found already, young David Ramsay born in 1850 looks to have been admitted in to an industrial school in 1859 www.fdca.org.uk/pdf%20files/IndustrialSchool_R.pdf:

David Ramsay
Born March 1850
birth place Forfar
Residence Millers Pend, Scouringburn.
Admission Date 14th Nov 1859
Ref 02/0455
Parents James Ramsay and Ann Low

Prior entry for him on 7th April 1859, ref 02/0389.

Not sure what the records holdings for this can be. If available, maybe further notes on the family?

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