Searching for birth / death records in Dumfriesshire and Ayrshire

[MonicaL]

Ancestry shows John and Grizzel born in Sanquhar on their 1851 census entry. Not seeing anything for them on the basis of that birth place.

Added: See also www.scottishindexes.com/51transcript.aspx?houseid=84803078

Did Grizzel live past 1855 and the start of official registration? If so, have you checked her death registration to see what it mentions regarding her parents' names (if known to the informant)?

Monica

[foxoak]

Thank you Forfarian for that information about records, it's clarified plenty.    Unfortunately the John Lindsay's referenced in Memorials of Sanquhar Churchyard have no dates attached - and obviously at the moment we can't go and visit. 

 I haven't found a death for Grizzel/Grace, or John - so no parents names, and so far no middle names of children to indicate the maiden name of mother or grandmother. No trace on the 1861 census.

I am aware that there are lots of people on Ancestry who have a John Lindsay born 1791 to an Andrew Lindsay and Janet Lamb - he could be ours - or not. There is only circumstantial evidence, not firm proof, that it could be him. 

Thank you all for your help - I will keep looking.

[Rosinish]

lots of people on Ancestry have a John Lindsay born 1791 to an Andrew Lindsay and Janet Lamb - There is only circumstantial evidence, not firm proof, that it could be him. 

Can you post all the details of the 'circumstantial evidence' which others may be able to prove/disprove?

Annie

[scotmum]

28th May 1851 edition of the Dumfries and Galloway Standard has the following death

.      At Crawickbridge, on the 10th instant, Grace Bannatyne, wife of John Lindsay, carter     

Several reports in 1845 newspapers of a young man, Archibald Lindsay of Crawickbridge, and two friends, all employed at Crawick Forge, involved in a, as the papers say, 'melancholy incident' on their way home at night from a fishing trip, resulting in the death of one of them. Archibald recovered.

[ColC]

As a JOHN LINDSAY was born to ANDREW LINDSAY/JANET LAMB
in Muirkirk 14/09/1791. I guess it is possible that he met Grace/Grizel there before his move to Sanquhar?

Colin

[foxoak]

28th May 1851 edition of the Dumfries and Galloway Standard has the following death

.      At Crawickbridge, on the 10th instant, Grace Bannatyne, wife of John Lindsay, carter     

Several reports in 1845 newspapers of a young man, Archibald Lindsay of Crawickbridge, and two friends, all employed at Crawick Forge, involved in a, as the papers say, 'melancholy incident' on their way home at night from a fishing trip, resulting in the death of one of them. Archibald recovered.

Brilliant, thank you - yes that's our Grace! 
I imagine that the Archibald also mentioned is the son of Grace and John Lindsay, as he was a spademaker employed at the forge.  I haven't got access to newspapers online at the moment, so couldn't research there.  Is there anywhere else other than Findmypast that do online newspapers?

[foxoak]

As a JOHN LINDSAY was born to ANDREW LINDSAY/JANET LAMB
in Muirkirk 14/09/1791. I guess it is possible that he met Grace/Grizel there before his move to Sanquhar?

Colin

Yes, there is a John Lindsay born 1791 in Muirkirk to Andrew Lindsay and Janet Lamb.  And our John Lindsay married Grace/Grizel in Muirkirk - so there is very strong circumstantial evidence that it is him - that he left Muirkirk to go to work at the Forge in Sanquhar - we have found an apprenticeship for him signed in 1802 in Sanquhar.  I just haven't been able to prove that the John Lindsay b1791 in Muirkirk is the John Lindsay who married Grizel in 1818.

I'll run with that for now!

[Neale1961]

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