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Historical Police Records
« on: Wednesday 03 February 21 21:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I was wanting to find out whether or not there is anywhere I could access records of Policemen from the 1850's in the Wiltshire area?  My 3 x great grandfather Thomas Keen/e is recorded as being a Policeman both on his daughter's birth record and also the census, and I was hoping I could find out more about Thomas through his records. Many thanks for any assistance.
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Re: Historical Police Records
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 03 February 21 21:51 GMT (UK) »
A similar question was asked a few weeks ago :D

See: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=842252.
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Re: Historical Police Records
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 04 February 21 03:38 GMT (UK) »
I see from the 1851 census he was at Purton. There are a couple of newspaper articles about him in the   Devizes and Wiltshire Gazette. I don't have time to transcribe them now, but will try to later on today.  :)

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Re: Historical Police Records
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 04 February 21 03:51 GMT (UK) »
I see from the 1851 census he was at Purton. There are a couple of newspaper articles about him in the   Devizes and Wiltshire Gazette. I don't have time to transcribe them now, but will try to later on today.  :)

Thank you so much!  Yes, he is at Purton in the 1851 Census, but can't find him or his family in the 1841 census for some reason.  His daughter, Louisa Jane, aka Jane, was born circa 1840 in Dover, Kent, so have been searching there as well as in Wiltshire and Gloucestershire, but no luck yet.  Will keep trying!

I'd greatly appreciate it if you could transcribe any articles you find - thanks again.
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Re: Historical Police Records
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 04 February 21 06:12 GMT (UK) »
 :)

SWINDON PETTY SESSIONS – Nov. 30th.
Before Revs. T. H. Ripley, Goddard, and Giles Daubeney

   ASSAULT ON A POLICE CONSTABLE IN EXECUTION OF DUTY. - Ro-
bert Telling
, a mason, at Purton, was charged by Thomas Keene, a po-
lice constable, with assaulting him, at Purton. It appears Keene had
detained a girl named Earl, in custody on suspician of felony, and that
on the evening of the 13th Nov., defendant came to the constable’s
house in a violent and resolute manner, and demanded the cause of
the detention, and insisted on entering the house; and on being re-
fused admittance, shoved aside Keene violently, and committed the
alleged assault. A large mob collected round the constable in conse-
quence of defendant’s violence. - The defendant pleaded that he was
somewhat intoxicated, but he only wished to know what the caddle (as
he expressed it) was about the girl? - The Magistrates expressed in
strong terms their astonishment at such disreputable conduct on the
part of a man who, holding a responsible station in life, ought to pro-
tect, instead of interfering with the police, and that he ought to be
ashamed of allowing intoxication to be an excuse for such an offence.
Fined £2, to include costs – the defendant coolly requested of the Ma-
gistrates sufficient time to pay the amount, and on being refused, pulled
out the needful instantly, and paid the fine.

Devizes and Wiltshire Gazette, Thursday,  Dec. 7, 1848,


   PURTON,- The principal inhabitants of this parish
have presented police constable Thomas Keene with a very hand-
some Bible and Prayer Book, in testimony of the estimation in
which they held the services rendered by him to the extensive
parish in which he does duty, and in which he has been stationed
for 8 years. The presentation was made by the Rev. Canon
Prower, accompanied with a suitable address. A purse was also
given to his wife, and handsome presents to his children.

Devizes and Wiltshire Gazette, Thursday,  Feb. 26, 1852

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Re: Historical Police Records
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 04 February 21 06:57 GMT (UK) »
The Great Western Railway Company are great sufferers from
the immense quantities of copper and brass stolen from their
works, and the difficulty which exists in detecting the depredators.
From information which police constable Keene had obtained, he
last week visited the house of John Baker at Purton, about mid-
night, and found therein a quantity of lead and about 86 lb.
Weight of copper and brass, a portion of which was identified as
being the property of the Company; and on Monday Thomas
Tengle and John Baker were committed by the Revds. T. H.
Ripley and Giles Daubeny, and J. E. Prower, esq., to the assizes
to take their trial - Teagle as the principal, and Baker as the receiver.
Baker was afterwards bailed.

Devizes and Wiltshire Gazette, Thursday,  Apr. 27, 1848

    Firing a Rick at Braydon.- Jane Curtis, 19, was indicted for
having on the 23rd. November last felonously set fire to a stack of
straw, the property of Jacob Bailey, at Braydon. Mr. ARNEY held the
brief for the prosecution; the prisoner was undefended.
    Jacob Bailey – I am a farmer at Purton; the prisoner was my ser-
vant on the 23rd Nov. last. On the evening of that day there were only
my own family in the house; prisoner was sitting sewing at the table,
and she suddenly rose up, took the lantern just brought in by the
carter and lit it; she past by the brew-house and went out. Prisoner
was absent about five minutes, and brought back the lantern with the
light extinguished; she took up her sewing again and sewed for five
minutes. She had her shoes on, but took them off and warmed her feet
at the fire. Just after that the alarm of fire was given, and I went out
and found a rick of wheat-straw on fire; she was in the habit of light-
ing my fire with straw, but when she came back she brought no straw.
I gave information to police constable Keene the next morning. On
Monday the 29th, I had some conversation with the prisoner; Keene
was there and Keene said he should charge her with the fire; the pri-
soner said she wished to speak to the master by himself. Keene then
left the room, and she then said to me “Will you please forgive me
if I tells?” In order to pass this by, I said “Did you ever know me
do you any hurt since you have been in my service?”
   His LORDSHIP said that appeared to him to convey this idea, “You
may judge my future actions by the past;” and he felt bound, ac-
cording to law, to exclude all that part of the conversation under a
promise of forgiveness.
   Witness: I never promised her any forgiveness at all, my Lord.
   The Judge: But when you, in the presence of the prisoner, said
“did you ever know me do you any hurt since you have been in my
service,” immediately on asking you to forgive her – it was that you
would not do anything to hurt her in the future. Wasn’t it?
   As there was nothing to assume that the prisoner was the party who
set fire to the rick, but her own confession, she was acquitted.

Devizes and Wiltshire Gazette, Thursday,  Mar. 10, 1853


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Re: Historical Police Records
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 February 21 08:09 GMT (UK) »
The Great Western Railway Company are great sufferers from
the immense quantities of copper and brass stolen from their
works, and the difficulty which exists in detecting the depredators.
From information which police constable Keene had obtained, he
last week visited the house of John Baker at Purton, about mid-
night, and found therein a quantity of lead and about 86 lb.
Weight of copper and brass, a portion of which was identified as
being the property of the Company; and on Monday Thomas
Tengle and John Baker were committed by the Revds. T. H.
Ripley and Giles Daubeny, and J. E. Prower, esq., to the assizes
to take their trial - Teagle as the principal, and Baker as the receiver.
Baker was afterwards bailed.

Devizes and Wiltshire Gazette, Thursday,  Apr. 27, 1848

    Firing a Rick at Braydon.- Jane Curtis, 19, was indicted for
having on the 23rd. November last felonously set fire to a stack of
straw, the property of Jacob Bailey, at Braydon. Mr. ARNEY held the
brief for the prosecution; the prisoner was undefended.
    Jacob Bailey – I am a farmer at Purton; the prisoner was my ser-
vant on the 23rd Nov. last. On the evening of that day there were only
my own family in the house; prisoner was sitting sewing at the table,
and she suddenly rose up, took the lantern just brought in by the
carter and lit it; she past by the brew-house and went out. Prisoner
was absent about five minutes, and brought back the lantern with the
light extinguished; she took up her sewing again and sewed for five
minutes. She had her shoes on, but took them off and warmed her feet
at the fire. Just after that the alarm of fire was given, and I went out
and found a rick of wheat-straw on fire; she was in the habit of light-
ing my fire with straw, but when she came back she brought no straw.
I gave information to police constable Keene the next morning. On
Monday the 29th, I had some conversation with the prisoner; Keene
was there and Keene said he should charge her with the fire; the pri-
soner said she wished to speak to the master by himself. Keene then
left the room, and she then said to me “Will you please forgive me
if I tells?” In order to pass this by, I said “Did you ever know me
do you any hurt since you have been in my service?”
   His LORDSHIP said that appeared to him to convey this idea, “You
may judge my future actions by the past;” and he felt bound, ac-
cording to law, to exclude all that part of the conversation under a
promise of forgiveness.
   Witness: I never promised her any forgiveness at all, my Lord.
   The Judge: But when you, in the presence of the prisoner, said
“did you ever know me do you any hurt since you have been in my
service,” immediately on asking you to forgive her – it was that you
would not do anything to hurt her in the future. Wasn’t it?
   As there was nothing to assume that the prisoner was the party who
set fire to the rick, but her own confession, she was acquitted.

Devizes and Wiltshire Gazette, Thursday,  Mar. 10, 1853

Wow!!!! Thank you so very very much for all of those :)  Seems like he was a respected Officer in the community :)
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Re: Historical Police Records
« Reply #7 on: Friday 05 February 21 09:46 GMT (UK) »

Family Search has this  (will check on Ancestry)

Marriage at Hougham, Kent, England  : 9 June 1840

Hougham, St Lawrence Kent

Name: Mary Ann HOPSON (There are HOPSON's born in Stroud) - on various census returns

father: John HOPSON


Name: Thomas KEEN

father: John KEEN


(as they are in Dover Kent, Thomas could have been at Sea - the Wedding Certificate would help.


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GRO INDEX

KEEN, Louisa Jane - mother's maiden name: HOBSON

1840 M Quarter - in DOVER UNION, VOLUME 05 PAGE 121

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Re: Historical Police Records
« Reply #8 on: Friday 05 February 21 20:12 GMT (UK) »

Family Search has this  (will check on Ancestry)

Marriage at Hougham, Kent, England  : 9 June 1840

Hougham, St Lawrence Kent

Name: Mary Ann HOPSON (There are HOPSON's born in Stroud) - on various census returns

father: John HOPSON


Name: Thomas KEEN

father: John KEEN


(as they are in Dover Kent, Thomas could have been at Sea - the Wedding Certificate would help.


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GRO INDEX

KEEN, Louisa Jane - mother's maiden name: HOBSON

1840 M Quarter - in DOVER UNION, VOLUME 05 PAGE 121

Wow!!!!  Thank you so very very much for that, as I've been searching for Thomas' marriage record.  From his daughter Emma's birth record I was able to ascertain the mother's maiden name, ' but not the marriage.  On Thomas' Police Record it says:

"Wife born at Rodborough.  Previous trade or employment Private 90th Regiment of Foot.  Army or Naval Reserve?"

So maybe he was at sea?  Again, thank you so much!
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