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Offline Michael ONeil

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Need help with numbers on second line COMPLETED
« on: Friday 05 February 21 16:40 GMT (UK) »
I've had a loupe all over this and I still can't be sure. First line reads 223 Madison St NY but I need help with the numbers on the second address. Both lines are from the same hand.

I can make out the first 4, then not sure about the next two numbers - 3 or 8 followed by 4, 7 or 9?
And then it's a 1 followed by the same number as the first of the unknown from above (e.g. 3 or 8).

It's the address my GG Grandfather James O'Neil gave when witnessing his mother's will. Curiously there is a James O'Neil living at 434 East 13th Street in the city directory for that year and I know it looks like it could be that address, the problem I have interpreting it that way is because of this:

The two possible 3s in the second line don't look like the 3 in the 223 in the first line.
The second 4 does not look like the first which is clearly a 4.
Surnames: O'Neil, Beechinor, Ames, Dickers
Locations: Clonakilty, Cashilisky, Fourcuil, Ringroe, Knuckskagh, New York City, Ohio, Canada, Liverpool.

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Re: Need help with numbers on second line
« Reply #1 on: Friday 05 February 21 16:46 GMT (UK) »
It does look like 434 to me - don't forget they often wrote with scratchy pens with nibs that deposited uneven amounts of ink [the M of Madison shows that]. I see what you are saying about the 3s, some seems rotated but few of us write completely consistently; writer was probably in a hurry.  There's also ageing of the document, unevenness in scanning to make thick & thin lines vary.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Need help with numbers on second line
« Reply #2 on: Friday 05 February 21 16:47 GMT (UK) »
I read it as 434 East 13th Street NY City
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Re: Need help with numbers on second line
« Reply #3 on: Friday 05 February 21 16:49 GMT (UK) »
I totally agree with ShaunJ and Josey.
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Re: Need help with numbers on second line
« Reply #4 on: Friday 05 February 21 16:59 GMT (UK) »
It seems to me that there two different styles of handwriting .
Words and numbers  differ greatly.
Would  that  be possible ?
Viktoria.

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« Reply #5 on: Friday 05 February 21 17:04 GMT (UK) »
I was about to say the same as Viktoria. "Residing at" does look much the same, and might have been written in advance by a clerk, but "NY City" at the end of the lines is very different - also the way "Street" has been treated, if that's what the first one is.
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Bingley, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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Re: Need help with numbers on second line
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 06 February 21 11:54 GMT (UK) »
Cheers for the replies folks and I reckon I'll go with my initial gut instinct and what the majority seem to think here.

I won't bore you with the details but 434 East 13th Street opens up a whole can of worms for me but thanks again.
Surnames: O'Neil, Beechinor, Ames, Dickers
Locations: Clonakilty, Cashilisky, Fourcuil, Ringroe, Knuckskagh, New York City, Ohio, Canada, Liverpool.

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Re: Need help with numbers on second line
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 06 February 21 12:12 GMT (UK) »
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I won't bore you with the details but 434 East 13th Street opens up a whole can of worms for me

 ;D ;D ;D it's all part of the fun...
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON